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Wizwig response part 1.
Wiziwig
Electric collars are able to go from 0-100 so you cannot say Clobb that they cannot be painful.
Clob
I have never said an e-collar could not be painful, not only that I have never come across
any training aid which cannot be painful if misused and many in
normal use are both dangerous and painfull, ( you are talking about misuse of training aids, for reasons unknown ) but the fact that you isolated an e-collar suggest that you are familiar with the dangers and pain caused by all canine equipment in normal use, there is no way you can separate one of them, you can only put them in context and asses them by comparison.
Taking your topic of misuse of canine training aids ( off topic but I am getting used to it ).
1. Treats
Treats, if you throw a treat onto the road the dog might get hit by car, if you overfeed treats, as many do, you will almost certainly have al kinds of long term health problems, bones, joints, heart, reduction of a healthy life expectancy, if a dog is running off into a dangerous situation, refuses recall relying on offering a treat for recall could end up the dogs death.
2. Collar and lead use.
a]
Studies carried out on dogs pulling on collars and leads show 92% out of 400 dogs had neck, larynx and other damage (Hallgren 1991), dogs are gagging all the time if they pull on collars.
b]
Quote:
“Hi! I have a 14 week old bedlington whippet who is pulling on the lead until he chokes. I have never had a dog before and don't know what to do. I'm really scared he'll injure his throat”
3. Halties
I cannot post links so below are two pet owner comments out of thousands of examples of Halties in normal use.
a] Quote:
“Help my dog will not stop clawing at his halti whan where out he is starting to make his face bleed I keep on pulling him up and saying no but its the same 2 mins later its worse when we see another dog”
b] Quote: (someone recommended a head collar for pulling)
“Headcollar - he was the one who developed a bleed behind the eye last time we tried that - so no.”
c] Quote:
“For the last three weeks he has been on a halti which is now hurting him so badly, it does not stop him pulling. He has had no training at all, fights against sits, etc. On the halti he salivates so much there are pools of water all around him.”
3. Balls
a] Chihaua puppy.
“ Xxxx loved to chase the ball but I thought he was over the other side of the garden, Kira went to get the ball as did Xxxx (Chiuahua ) he was so fast she didn't see the little guy and fell over him and broke his neck.”
4.
a]
Kennel Club extensive research 1996 – 2006 not one single substantiated case of any problems.
b]
“We concluded that no physiological harm can be caused by electro pulse muscle stimulation collars” Interpreted from the German.
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Klein, D., 2000. Elektrogeräte: Grundlagen, Wirkungen und mögliche Gefahren im Hinblick auf die Anwendung
in der Hundeausbildung. Der Gebrauchshund 1, 38–48.
Rather than carry on with thousands of other examples (taking into account you went off topic) I suggest you do some research yourself on the safety of training equipment, which is what your remark above is suggesting.
I'll get back to your other points soon as I can but in the meantime can you please tell me what (and everyone reading) what knowledge and experience you have of any kind of e-collars, please state make and model so I know its capabilities and potential.