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17-08-2015, 07:37 PM
I'm not from the UK, but politicians are in full swing here for next year's presidency vote so tension is high here too. Donald Trump (YES the over tanned, horrible haired Trump you're thinking of) is running and is currently in the lead... and he's only slightly bigoted and moronic I'm atheist, but with the facts at hand... may God have mercy on America (and therefore the world). Good to see Obama finally taking the boot though... Gosh that took too long.
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17-08-2015, 09:24 PM
Must admit that I'm not terrifically well versed on the politics of the US, Myra. In truth we have enough to worry about with our crop of misfits, without trying to understand someone else's. Up until quite recently, I didn't realise that Trump had any particular political ambitions, I just knew he ws a rather ruthless and very successful businessman. Whoever you end up with, I hope he/she is fair and unbiased in their dealings at home and abroad for as you say America's actions have far reaching ramifications throughout the whole of the world.
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17-08-2015, 10:19 PM
Originally Posted by Luke View Post
But he's very middle ground, and core labour voters, new supporters of labour, and the majority of the under 25's who oppose the current oppressive political climate, don't want middle ground, they want as far removed from certain aspects of our current government as possible.
Irrespective of political stance Corbyn has managed to ignite the fires of political interest in the under 25 voting group which, considering they were the highest figure of non voters and a huge part in the overall outcome of the last general election, should be celebrated wherever you stand.
As another Labour voter, I think the middle ground is the way to go for an electable Labour party.

Corbyn will be eaten alive if elected, just as Michael Foot was.

My views have always been left of centre, but I'm a realist and too left of centre doesn't win elections.
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17-08-2015, 10:50 PM
Firstly, In regards to any errors in typing, may God strike me down for using my iPhone which autocorrects things to the American, the bizzaire and the downright questionable. I await the smite of a higher power with some intrigue, and don't worry I'll be sure to leave a nice scorch mark, red naturally, to leave my left wing views behind.
Secondly, well aren't you pleasant! I fail to see the need for such condescending behaviour but hey ho.
I don't have a blind faith in anyone, no more than I heed such political warnings that the very right wing tabloids fly their flag to alert the public over. My views lie with labour for a wide variety of reasons, just as there will be others who have their own views in more alignment with other parties. My primary issue with the outcome of this last election wasn't anything to with "lack of electoral success" but down to a severe questioning of the humanity and humility of the masses when seeing the way in which the Tory regime being implemented has affected certain sectors of society, and how the rules seem to be bent and pushed back by the powers that be to justify the fall out of their wonderful work. For example the redefinition of the outlined parameters of child poverty. The fit for work tests for varying formats of disability benefits. The bedroom tax. The lack of honesty about the growth of economy/jobs in less affluent areas, there are certain parts of the country that feel a world away from others right now.
It's been eye opening in recent years, as I mentioned before and was then mocked for due to autocorrected typing errors (thanks for that by the way!)working in quite specialist areas of SEN liaison and inclusion focused schemes puts you a position to see all aspects of society. Speaking honestly, even with the general education reforms aside (which for the majority, have disastrous and now force schools sit stiffly between a rock and a hard place), but the changes to the support and accessibility for the disabled, the mentally and/or terminally ill is a travesty. It's kept so quiet but the affects of this government are destroying the futures of many.
I don't plan on moving to Russia, thanks for the suggestion though. I'm not really a fan of communism, just more someone who was raised to have a sense of humility for my fellow man, and to not look down or snub those less fortunate than I if I were to find myself in a better situation than they. But the pull the ladder up jack and sod the rest attitude is a terrible disease which is growing stronger and stronger in today's society.
In regards to the more middle ground, I agree in some respects that in today's social climate to sit firmly on the furthest tip of the left wing often isn't the way. For me the idea of Corbyn works well as he isn't afraid to be in that territory of the far left and be more challenging, but will (in theory) be pulled into overall more middle ground by the rest of his party.
It could be more of a disaster I suppose, UKIP could have gotten hold of the reigns.
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17-08-2015, 11:08 PM
The old adage that one should never discuss Religion, Sex or Politics really goes out the window with forums eh. I could stay here 'discussing' my issues with the current right wing regime, or explaining why I find myself as a Labour voter and quite like Corbyn, or I could remember why I don't frequent here as much anymore.
Oh, and as a side note. I'm not just some addled peace loving socialist, waving a free Tibet or feed the world flag, part of my degree was actually Political Science (in what feels like another lifetime mind). No, that's not an attempt to belittle anyone either, but felt the need to justify myself as not just someone reading tabloids and empty promises and buying into the idea of socialism as it seems the right. Which is how it feels I've been painted a little.
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17-08-2015, 11:24 PM
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Must admit that I'm not terrifically well versed on the politics of the US, Myra. In truth we have enough to worry about with our crop of misfits, without trying to understand someone else's. Up until quite recently, I didn't realise that Trump had any particular political ambitions, I just knew he ws a rather ruthless and very successful businessman. Whoever you end up with, I hope he/she is fair and unbiased in their dealings at home and abroad for as you say America's actions have far reaching ramifications throughout the whole of the world.
I understand. I'm sure the UK has its own issues. As for Trump, ruthless is a great word for him. Racist also fits. He really said some nasty things about Hispanics. He insulted another politician (in his same group) and his followers. He also spews offensive stuff left and right and offers no apologies. But that's the ruthlessness in him. Nobody wants a liberal in office again, but I can't see the answer being Trump. Ugh! I hope our next president is better than Obama, that's all I can say.
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17-08-2015, 11:32 PM
You should not feel the need to justify yourself or your views, they are yours to express as you wish.
Surely, good strong heated debate is the very backbone of a healthy democracy and as such should be relished.
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17-08-2015, 11:40 PM
Myra, I just cross posted with you, post #17 was in reply to Luke's post and not directed at yourself.
I do hope that given his views and actions you end up with someone very different from Mr Trump, he truly sounds totally unsuited to the position of most powerful politician in the world.
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18-08-2015, 01:26 AM
I don't know from UK politics but sounds like we should fix him up with Donald Trump...Sorry I posted that before I read the above posts. Our Republican candidates are a virtual clown car and the Dem's aren't a whole lot better...We have a forum called the American Association of Retired Persons. The political forums are a hoot. Certainly not for the meek, but we get some lively opinions there.
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18-08-2015, 01:37 AM
According to the mail -

IN 1992 Jeremy Corbin, Islington MP, was visited by 5 social workers
" To that end, they want to share some deeply troubling news with the local MP. For some time, the social workers tell Corbyn, a near-constant stream of drugged, hungry, distressed and often tearful young people have been turning up at their offices each day and exhibiting tell-tale signs of sexual abuse.

Many are residents of Islington Council’s children’s homes, where they seem to have been raped and assaulted by staff and visitors. "

He apparently did nothing about this and it was swept under the carpet. .

According to Andrew Gilligan of The Telegraph -

" But if he does win, Labour will also be in the extraordinary position of having as its leader a man with among the most extensive links in Parliament to terrorists, extremists and hardline regimes."

Mr Corbyn, The Telegraph can reveal, has taken thousands of pounds in gifts from organisations closely linked to the terror group Hamas, whose operatives he once described as “friends”. "

If he is elected leader, I can't see Labour winning the next General Election.

He makes Blair look like Mother Theresa. We all thought Blair was a breath of fresh air and excited when Labour won the election and he was PM. Look how well that turned out!
Will history repeat itself.?
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