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mjfromga
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04-08-2015, 02:54 PM
Ah. We use the terms separately. Neuter is male, spay is female. Neuter a female... that sounds funny but I understand things are said differently. Additionally... of course Nigredo was born with the condition, but being a pediatric neuter couldn't have possibly helped him any. Had about 85% coverage in his left hip when he was young... the other hip was fine. Not sure how bad it is now, but of course it's probably worse. He stays on glucosamine etc. for it. Doesn't seem to need pain medication yet. In any case, it's fairly mild so not a big deal. I won't ever have another neutered dog, I can say that. I will also never have another female dog, so therefore won't have another spayed dog either.

My point... I'm NOT, NOT, NOT a fan of neutering, especially at early ages. I find the pediatric neutering that some shelters do borderline unethical, but because people won't honor the contracts and neuter at the proper ages, they've been left no choice.
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08-08-2015, 02:20 PM
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Hormones are so much more than just effecting adolescent behaviour, there are many studies to show that a dog needs hormones for development in health , temperament and growth, by removing them as such an early age you are escalating the chance of problems later in life, bone cancer being one of them,

At 6 months old a dogs temperament is far from set, and by castrating so young you are not giving your dog a chance to develop in mind or body.

I am not against people having their dogs done, but give them a chance to mature first, there are articles/studies floating around the web now from professionals /vets that were once very much advocates of early spay and castration , who have since changed their minds due to research .
Not true, and well said Moyra. Many kinds of problem are avoided especially in males, by juvenile castration. My family has 40 years experience in Canada of dog breeding and they always spay and neuter early. No hormone memory etc. But then the UK and Ireland are way behind in so many ways, Chemical castration is fraught with dangers too. Please prove the statement in your last sentence also. That is not my awareness.
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08-08-2015, 02:21 PM
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I'm afraid I am in favour of castration around 6 months and also spaying for a female around the same age. It gives them a chance to develop their identity without raging hormones affecting them. Over the years I have had many male and female dogs and with one exception when the bitch was too young in my mind to conceive I fell foul of the system. Because the male dogs, lurchers were also, I considered, too young to be neutered. Live and learn but we had no problems afterwards.
Well said Moyra. Thank you for sense.
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08-08-2015, 02:24 PM
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I would never neuter a dog that had behaviour issues, often it will make them worse.
You could try to put the humping
down to out of control hormones as a 'teenager pup' but the barking at people as a behaviour that is also developing makes me wonder how much of this is over excitement, frustration or even nervousness. A decent behaviourist could help you identify the cause and rectify the problem with some kind training methods.

I too have had a dog that humped, and he used to hump my parents intact male lab. Their lab never bothered back until about 3 months after they had him neutered and then as soon as he saw my dog he would jump on him and hump constantly. It became an obsession.
Proof? Of bolded words
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08-08-2015, 03:10 PM
Originally Posted by Rosebud77 View Post
Not true, and well said Moyra. Many kinds of problem are avoided especially in males, by juvenile castration. My family has 40 years experience in Canada of dog breeding and they always spay and neuter early. No hormone memory etc. But then the UK and Ireland are way behind in so many ways, Chemical castration is fraught with dangers too. Please prove the statement in your last sentence also. That is not my awareness.
What's not. True just because YOU are not aware does not mean it's not so...

Maybe instead of demanding proof from others you go do a little search around the net.

I have no intention of proving anything it's all there for you to find out for yourself, it might be a good idea instead of every time quoting your family in Canada .
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08-08-2015, 03:28 PM
A working vet giving both sides of the story
http://www.2ndchance.info/spayneuter.htm
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08-08-2015, 08:20 PM
Thanks for the link Trouble interesting reading.
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