Yes they are sold year round in M & S, I doubt if Heston's will be on sale though.

Excellent post.

I'm sure you must know then, there's a world of difference between species that are similar enough to be successfully crossed (naturally), and GM practises that go way beyond that - taking genes from spiders and putting them in goats for example.

So shall we assume you're no longer in your 30s... and now rolling in it?

No Azz, there really isn't that much difference! Individual genes dont work the way most people imagine.......Im on my phone so can't write a huge long post but I can expand on this a bit further later on, if you're interested that is

Getting back to HCBs from M&S - I do not suppose they still have any Christmas puddings left - do they?

Drool drool drool.

I have a couple in my hampers which I have donated for a raffle at one of my breed club shows.

heheheheh

I have just used my half-price Sainsbury's Christmas cake mix that was hiding in the back of a cupboard. I made it into a simnel cake by putting a circle of marzipan in the middle.

There's enough difference for certain species to die, when their food source is replaced by the respective GM'd food source

I'll take it you dont want me to explain then. But to answer your comment, changing the expression level of one protein in a plant does not suddenly make it a completely different entity, its still the same plant stil to be eaten by the same organisms. The ignorance that surrounds this subject is on par with breed specific discrimination and dominance based training in dogs!

I have gone right off you...

[I will pay for the postage if you would send them - plus a donation...]

Drool drool drool............

Not really sure what point you are trying to make They're genetically different - if they weren't then, er, what's the point.

The difference may be small (or massive - depending on how you look at it) but as mentioned, the difference is big enough to kill off an entire species that would otherwise naturally feed on it without any problems.

The real problem with GM food isn't the science, or the lack of proper understanding/testing (although obviously they are yet far from ideal) - it's the greed behind it. In the right hands it could potentially be beneficial to humanity (obviously debatable - do we *really* need it?), but I have zero faith in those spearheading it right now - it's all about patenting a food item/profit. It kinda disgusts me.