What f would a Czech or saarloos be ??

On one forum I think they work it out - and most (CsV) are between 6-9 generations away (I think). I am not sure about saarloos.

Thanks for you help, i understand it a lot better now xx

I think you have the right to discuss your W dog as much as you like with like minded people, if other people don't like it they don't have to join in the discussion. They can have a mind of their own, but are also loyal, loving, protective companions, there's an up and down side to every breed of dog, and as long as people research the breed they want properly and can accept the downside, they are perfectly entiltled to own, and discuss them with whoever they want. Some of the people chipping in making 'remarks' to put it mildly, have never had one, and know nothing about them.

I did some reading up on the origins, and this is what I read, it said huskies were created by breeding spaniels with arctic wolves, then pups back to wolf, which is why they look more like a wolf than a spaniel, cos so much wolf was left in them, then Malamutes were created by crossing huskies with red setters, then those pups back to arctic wolf to make a similar dog but bigger. It did say that other breeds might have been added in to the mix, but as no accurate records of the breeeding were kept, no-one can be sure.

I'm pretty certain that spaniels and setters came after Huskies and Malamutes.

Thankyou, someone who actually 'gets' what I was saying, Mals, Huskies and GSD, are in an evolutionary sense, much closer to their wolf ancesters, which every dog on the planet has evolved from, than for example, boxers, mastifs,etc. which have evolved so far away from them that there are no wolf characteristics left in them at all.

I'm only saying what I read, it all went on so long ago, who know's what's true and what isn't.

Both these breeds were created by crossing european wolves with GSD's. After lots of generations of breeding they became classified as dogs in Europe, then eventually, were accepted as dogs in Britain. All wolfdogs, whether recognised breed, or hybrid mix, are legal to own without a licence as long as the breeding is 3 generations away from the pure wolf. I had a long conversation with defra before I bought one, to make sure I had the legal side of things worked out. I don't want to buy an illegal dog, which could be confiscated and put to sleep if someone grassed me up, its a one way ticket to a broken heart buying a dog like that. Though other people seem willing to take the risk, but most of them want them for breeding.

But as Mick said, the older breeds are evolutionary further, as they were developed first. The GSD is a modern breed, apparently with wolf content somewhere down the line, so that doesn't count. Mals and Huskies are ancient breeds. If we're simply going on timeline though, as in your theory, then Mastiffs would be closer to wolves than GSDs, as they are an ancient breed and GSDs are modern. It's not all black and white though. A lay person may think a Husky or a Mal looks like a wolf, but they have been dogs longer than say, Boxers have. My Mal looks naff all like a wolf. She looks exactly like a Malamute though.