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22-03-2011, 03:31 PM
Originally Posted by mishflynn View Post
Id be happier they return it than pass it on.
But id not sell to someone like that in the first place (as i said)
Sometimes you never really know anyone -----I let a friend have a jrt pup many years ago but if I had known how that dog would end up being treated I would never have let her have it. I knew her very well but her circumstances changed radically.

BTW---I didn't breed the pup---there were two more or less left on my doorstep. I kept one in the end.

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22-03-2011, 03:31 PM
To me, the point is that the dog should come first and the hobby second. Ideally, choosing the right breed etc for whatever hobby is in mind, but also ensuring that both the breed and the dog is suited to the owner so that it is the dog that takes first priority not the hobby. That way, if things go horribly wrong hobby-wise, the dog still has an important role as a loving companion in a happy home that it knows and an owner that wants to love and care for it hobby or not
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22-03-2011, 03:48 PM
Should you get a dog just to do a hobby with?
What happens if the dog grows up unable to do the hobby? Is it OK to pass them on to someone else?
Does it matter what the hobby is?
Should dogs be bred just to do a hobby? - pedigree dogs? crossbreeds?
I got into dryland mushing for Elroy. He's the kind of dog that NEEDS to be active everyday and enjoys being given a task to do.

I think he would be a keen flyball enthusiast, but nowhere anywhere near us seems to do it. He' loves to run and pull so we decided to give mushing a try. El took to it like a duck to water! He even came second in his first competition with my daughter (which we just went along to for the fun of it and to meet fellow mushers).

We got into the sport FOR the dog, to give him an outlet and for HIS enjoyment.

"Should you get a dog just to do a hobby with?"
We kinda did. Getting into mushing I learnt alot more about nordic breeds and their needs. Working in a rescue, there was a husky how'd bounced from home to home and had been with us for a few months. We decided to foster him when our kennels were full and an emergancy case came in. Whilst fostering I encouraged him to pull in harness on walks etc and once his fitness was up we tried mushing him. He loved it!

I'd never have considered a breed or dog I couldn't have let offlead for a run (which this boy certainly can't) before getting into this sport. He now gets his runs with me on the scooter behind him and both dogs get all excited when they see the scooter coming out. Ziggy and I even managed to come first in our first ever competition. I hadn't even thought about getting placed in it, we were just going along for the fun of getting a run and meeting like minded people.

"What happens if the dog grows up unable to do the hobby? Is it OK to pass them on to someone else?"

In our case, if either dog was no longer able to mush, they'd still have a home here, as does our 3 legged whippet.

In general I think people should be prepared that dogs can't always do the job that they were bred/bought for and be able to keep and care for the dog no matter what. But in the real world, if that's not possible, an excellent home that's aware of the dogs needs, compeltely vetted out etc should be sought to meet the dog's needs.

"Does it matter what the hobby is?"

So long as the dog is fit and able to do the hobby AND enjoys doing it, I don't see why not.

"Should dogs be bred just to do a hobby? - pedigree dogs? crossbreeds?"

This is a big can of worms, not easily answered. There are those that breed, breed, breed with their sports dogs willy nilly and there are those that maticulously select and carefully breed in order to produce dogs that can preform. I think the rights and wrongs of it comes down to each breeder's ethics; be they pedigree dogs bred for the person who enjoys showing or the crossbreeds being picked to breed for a specific purpose.
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22-03-2011, 04:53 PM
Well i'm still baffled as to when dogs were not for some form of work and things began to change, have tried to look up on the net but can't really find anything(does anyone know please, even rough idea). All dogs should be (bred to be?)loved, whatever their role in peoples lives and not just given up(if at all) without consideration for their future welfare. It 's good to know that many don't do this but very sad that others do and things have gone too far(eg. greyhounds).
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22-03-2011, 05:45 PM
Originally Posted by rune View Post
Sometimes you never really know anyone -----I let a friend have a jrt pup many years ago but if I had known how that dog would end up being treated I would never have let her have it. I knew her very well but her circumstances changed radically.

BTW---I didn't breed the pup---there were two more or less left on my doorstep. I kept one in the end.

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22-03-2011, 05:49 PM
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Yep, the view that it's a "wasted" dog is looking at it from the trainer's point of view, not necessarily from the dog's viewpoint. Just because a dog could be good at something & perhaps shows an aptitude, doesn't mean that it is not fulfilled & happy with it's current lifestyle.

You could say the same about people but just because they don't do what they could perhaps be good at, doesn't mean they don't lead happy & fulfilled lives.
Thankyou. Wasted from "my point of view" , obvisley the dog can be happy whatever .

But if i bred a litter for "my Reasons" thenm what i WANT to see thatlitter do is important & a important to reason for me to breed in the first place. Abit of a pride/ego thing i think (in the nicest way of course)
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22-03-2011, 06:10 PM
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I think some people on here just write things as they come into their head without really thinking about what they are writing and how they can be insulting to some members!

Everyone on Dogsey is a member because we love our dogs, if we chose to do obedience/showing/agility/HTM or whatever then it isn't because we want to mistreat them, we want to enjoy a hobby that we can share with them. Additionally, if we just want them to be at home with us, share nice walks etc., then there is nothing wrong with that either.

To state that some people have too many dogs is ridiculous, I once had 14 dogs at one time living in the house with me, not one of those dogs got treated any differently or more favourably than another. They would get on my lap, a couple at a time for a cuddle, as they got off another couple would be waiting to get up. They all had exactly the same treats at the same time too. If we can afford vets bills and food then what is the problem? I know I had to rehome mine but that was due to my illness, not because I no longer wanted them or couldn't show/breed with them.

We purchased Henry with a view to me showing him, of course I want to win with him, what is the point of paying out all that money if I don't stand some sort of a chance? However, if he doesn't win I don't think of parting with him. Although it was my good fortune that his breeder is the type to let a good dog go to a home where he will be loved as a family pet rather than in the kennels with her others, there are people like that but it doesn't mean they don't have the dogs best interests at heart.
Brilliant post!!
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22-03-2011, 06:15 PM
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far too many people imo have far too many dogs, just so they can get the chance to win.
Do you know for a fact that its to win with though. I mean me and mum between us have what most people would class alot of dogs..This has nothing to do with wanting to win..It has something to do with being passionate about a breed and helping with rescues..Some of which never left, and as such we have less show dogs than we do 'pets'. There will be various reasons as to why people have X amount of dogs, like us when we got into showing we never rehomed our family dogs.. Its not always black and white..and the amount of dogs doesnt always equal big time breeder/competitor.
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22-03-2011, 06:21 PM
Originally Posted by k9paw View Post
Well i'm still baffled as to when dogs were not for some form of work and things began to change, have tried to look up on the net but can't really find anything(does anyone know please, even rough idea). All dogs should be (bred to be?)loved, whatever their role in peoples lives and not just given up(if at all) without consideration for their future welfare. It 's good to know that many don't do this but very sad that others do and things have gone too far(eg. greyhounds).
All dogs have a job. In my opinion the most valuable of those jobs is to be a faithful companion above everything else. Hobbies are something you just do with your dog, companionship is something that is priceless
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22-03-2011, 06:31 PM
Originally Posted by Ben Mcfuzzylugs View Post
I didnt say at the top levels - but I know far too many people who get collies because they cant win with the breed they love

yes I agree, most likely at the top levels the people know how to get the balance right

But I am talking of people I have come into contact with at lower levels

far too many people imo have far too many dogs, just so they can get the chance to win. The owners ONLY really have time to interact with the dog one on one when they are training it for the hobby

The dog enjoys the hobby because that is all they know

Often they are not alowed to interact with other dogs and all walks are regimented as well - because all their lives focus is on excelling at their sport


but as long as the dog enjoys the sport (which it probably wouldnt do great in if it didnt)

the owner enjoys it

all the dogs are exercised and trained daily (which most likely are, even if its a small way/'game')

none are neglected in any way

How does that affect the dog negatively?
How do you know the dogs are NEVER allowed to socialise? Perhaps they get enough with all the other dogs at home and then when time other selected dogs...?

if there is only one or two dogs competing how do you know the others arent still walked daily?
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