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08-11-2010, 10:41 PM
Originally Posted by Minihaha 
I shall look forward to that with interest...
already posted, i waited until i had time to watch a whole video
...there is trivia and then there is trivia, when it comes to the welfare of animals I would say questioning the ability of someone who visibly causes discomfort to a dog and actually includes himself among your number should take priority over whether or not a topic should be being discussed .
i never said this
Clearly some people think by continually discussing the subject we are in fact acting as an advertisement for e collar salesmen by giving them the oxygen of publicity.
i disagree. thats just an arguement for censorship that can be applied to anything. i dont do censorship
I wasn't aware I had stifled debate ,
i never said you had
on the contrary I have frequently asked Adam questions but rarely received what I would call a satisfactory response and in some instances no response at all.
exactly what the whole point of my posts have been about...obviously, this means im not thinking of people like you
As to personal insults, I don't consider it a personal insult to questions someones ability when they have put themselves forward as a authority on a particular subject and are found wanting.
neither do, i never said this
I am deadly serious as well so that makes two of us.
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08-11-2010, 10:43 PM
Originally Posted by rune
I have and I did. Guess what---no e collar needed just trust and respect on both sides.
rune
It's amazing when you build trust without fear, the unsuppressed personality of the dog gradually emerges and they are able to reach their full potential.
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08-11-2010, 10:54 PM
Originally Posted by Adam Palmer
Can I just point out that a few weeks prior to the vid he was due to be pts for aggression.
He had been aggressive to his owners and other people. In disputes over food he'd bitten his owners numerouse times (multi bite attacks) and had also randomly attacked them.
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08-11-2010, 10:58 PM
Originally Posted by Minihaha
On whos say so?
A lot of owners have no understating of the dogs in their care, if I was a trainer I would never base my opinion on a dog solely on the say so of the owner I would wish to carry out my own independent analysis of a dog's behaviour.
again this could be down to the handler not the dog .
I have taken on worse, never any question of putting them down though , you can't blame a dog for being mishandled and misunderstood.
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08-11-2010, 10:59 PM
Originally Posted by Minihaha
Adam I note you have three videos..
..look at this one also Jack I think..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDl5e..._order&list=UL
look at the dogs body language, the set of the tail, the expression ,the body posture , it all spells fear and uncertainty to me . I have seen it before on dogs who have been subject to e collars they are wary all the time
When a normal happy dog is walking its whole body is 'animated'. I don't think you did this dog any favours rescuing it, what a miserable existence for a little terrier living in fear all the time . Presumably this poor little dog is the one you were eager to demonstrate your 'skills' on (see post 25)to anyone prepared to watch
ETA I'm off to walk my dog before I say something I shouldn't!
Take care Mini.
Seoniad.
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08-11-2010, 11:08 PM
Originally Posted by SibeVibe
Agree. Worried little dog. So sad walking to heel carries such a burden for the lad
Take care Mini.
Seoniad.
..at the risk of upsetting some people, if I was a little terrier about to be put to sleep and instead ended up in Adams hands living in perpetual fear, given electric shocks for displaying natural traits or because no one had ever taught me to behaviour to fit in with human expectations I would rather be peacefully asleep thank you.
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08-11-2010, 11:09 PM
Originally Posted by Minihaha
KW
It has taken me a while to type my response and I see you have replied in the meantime ....Is that it then KW , is that all you see including in the second video where the little terrier is on the lead
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08-11-2010, 11:12 PM
Originally Posted by Krusewalker
i dont understand your post
Clearly some of us see more than you do ...
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08-11-2010, 11:15 PM
Originally Posted by Minihaha
..at the risk of upsetting some people, if I was a little terrier about to be put to sleep and instead ended up in Adams hands living in perpetual fear, given electric shocks for displaying natural traits or because no one had ever taught me to behaviour to fit in with human expectations I would rather be peacefully asleep thank you.
Slavery springs to mind.
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08-11-2010, 11:22 PM
Originally Posted by Minihaha
..KW , I don't understand your brief interpretation of the two videos in question but then what do I know, you are the trainer .
Clearly some of us see more than you do ...
you asked me to watch and comment (albeit i was doing this of my own accord anyway), and i did.
i made the same observations you did, and everyone else.
but im now 'wrong' as i havent quite said them in the 'right way'
PS - did you not see: