One time my partner reached out to touch my dog and accidentally shocked her. She wouldn't go near him for a couple hours.

Now tell me honestly, Adam. Would you put a shock collar on my dog to train her, knowing that she was so freaked out by a little electrostatic shock that she wouldn't go near someone she knows and trusts for that long?

Wilbar , I wondered about this too then came up with a possible explanation. As they say 'no publicity is bad publicity', the e collar salesmen no doubt post on forums as a way of advertising the existence of their goods and in the hope that people will read their posts and commission them to train dogs.

Crysannia

Yes because the level would be much lower than she experienced from your OH.

Adam

It was a teeny tiny shock. He felt it too and it was a really low level shock. The only electronic collar that my dog could deal with would be a vibrating one and even then the noise might bother her.

The fact that you would slap a shock collar on a really soft dog tells me exactly what kind of horrible person you are and how little you even understand. Not like it surprises me, but people like you simply disgust me. I would NEVER EVER let someone like you abuse my dog.

It hardly matters what the owner feels, its what the dog experiences, clearly thsi was too high for her, therefore on an e collar she would have a lower level than this.

Adam

She wouldn't have any level. Even just running into her by accident shuts her down. A shock collar will NEVER be put on my dog. If someone tried to, they'd have to go through ME and that wouldn't be very pretty. I have no problem with putting a shock collar on someone who uses them on dogs and hitting the button over and over and over again.

See Adam, unlike you I do not train using pain (oh I'm sorry "discomfort"). Unlike you, I realize that other methods are more humane and work better. Because of that the dogs I've trained have been happy dogs who enjoy life, not scared shut down dogs who are afraid to make a wrong move for fear of getting a shock.

well, if you want to be strawman about interpreting my posts, then, yeh, sure.

1. in the last posts re the topic of politeness, as followed up from Wilbar....note, NOT the topic of ecollars....where did i say i wasnt aware that AP had advised use of ecollar on abused dogs?
Indeed, where did i say i am happy with this?

2. Where in my last couple posts did i say advising use of ecollars online isnt ethical?
Re advising use of ecollars online: question for you:
which member at that time led the charge on that one (or at least, co-lead)???
Ummmm

3. Can you provide me with a quote from my last few posts....remember, those upon the topic of posting style ....whereby i accepted cruelty?

In fact, if you can provide quotes where i made the statements you have attributed to me above, then I will conceed.

Aside from that, Im not worried.

On another forum, I am in the process of debating issues with a notrious ecollar trainer called Denis.
I have also just had to say I could defend or explain the points he has made regarding my posts, but as they werent the words i used or the context in which I used them, then their would be no point.

Do you not find it ironic and worrying clair that your communication and interpetation of people's points is achieved in the style of E collar Denis??

And that your manner toward has just borne Wilbar out?

We should be thankful, AP could be a Denis, then you really would have genuine cause for complaint due to forum attitude as well as training technique.

Personally, i think you make some superb training, behaviour, and ethical points to counter AP, Im not too sure sure why you need all the other stuff??

I didn't understand this sentence

cheers



KW

TBH, I didn't understand it, either.......?


Snorri

Agreed.

From what I see of Adams writing, he has taken dogs that are very frightened of their owners and made them more frightened of things other than their owners, which in my view is pretty barbaric.

The thing that concerns me most about all of this is Why was the dog so frightened of the owners in the first place?

Yes you could well be right. If this is the case then the more of us that contradict these methods, call them cruel, ill-informed & sadistic, the better.