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Originally Posted by
CheekyChihuahua
Well, I suppose if they were around having a run about, it wouldn't really be possible to take a picture where the dogs could be properly seen. There's only so much a Photographer can do. I think the pic shows that CM has control over his offlead dogs, unless of course some think they are stuffed or sedated or something (that last comment is not pointed at you Rune)
A picture proves nothing, all it proves was that at the time the picture was taken the dogs were with him!
Originally Posted by
alady??
Again I have to completely disagree with you Mahooli, sorry i think the cause of disagreement is mainly on the use and understanding of the word "dominant"
Agreed, as mentioned in a subsequent post, however, CM uses dominance to mean total control, that's what he advocates and that you can only apply dominance b using force. Both incorrect.
The Lion pride was cited as anothe example, again incorrect. The pride is made of of related females with unrelated adult males who protect and patrol their territory. No dominance there.
The young lions and lionesses NEVER feed before the old "dominant/governing" lions.
Show me a video clip which shows the lionesses, or indeed any other of the pride who willingly stand aside and wait while the males eat. I've yet to see that, it's always been a free for all at the Lion dining table including very young cubs.
The wolf pack, it has been proven time and again that the breeding pair are just that, the fittest and most able to breed, the remainder of the pack is usually made up of family members,
The last docu I watched on wolf behaviour the dominant/governing pair were pretty old and by no manner the fittest, they rule the pack by "governing" behaviour.
Maybe this is the wisdom part coming in, however I would dispute that a wolf (or indeed any animal) that is not fit would be able to remain a useful member of any pack or group of animals.
When animals fight it has nothing to do with dominance and all to do with survival of the fittest. That which is strong and powerful enough to see off rivals goes on to produce the next generation.
This is true, but in most species their is a big difference between a full blown fight and "governing" the pack/pride or whatever, generlly it is a warning or "told off" that is inflicted by the dominant/governing members
The reason animals use ritualise behaviours to demonstrate strength/vitality etc is because if a full fight ensures it is very risky to the animal concerned. Most animals will rather not fight unless they are certain they will win, this has resulted in their deaths if they have miscalculated their opponant. That is why, what some would call dominant, behaviours developed, it was a means of assessing your rival/enemy without risking injury.
Originally Posted by
Tassle
You do not know - neither do we how he treats his own dogs, who walks them, feeds them or interacts with them on such a regular basis. With a pack that large I am surprised that he has time to interact with them all and work the hours he does....I find it hard enough to give (what I feel is enough time) to 6! But that is not to say he doesn't (or that he does) its all speculation.
Does anyone actually know whether he lives with dogs or are they only in that compound? If he doesn't or only lives with one or two then how can he train dogs to behave in a domestic environment when he has little or no experience of this aspect of dog ownership?
Originally Posted by
Tassle
I have watched 2 episodes which was enough for me to decide I would no longer give it my veiwing rating.
I will watch clips on youtube if people post them - I am sure my not watching will not get it off the air - but I can try.
I watch whatever has been posted and that which I have seen clips of on the telly and that is all I need to see. Just watched the clip of Shadow and was horrified that the dog's tongue was blue when he was pinned to the ground, no wonder the poor animal collapsed. If pro-CMers can't see that as wrong then they need their heads examined, and if he has done it to one dog just imagine what does go on behind the scenes.
Originally Posted by
scarter
I suppose the answer to that is that if your relationship with your dog is good then the dog will be watching you at all times and will want to respond to you.
I would disagree with this statement. A dog that is constantly watching it's owner for approval is not a relationship based on trust and respect. If the dog constantly needs to be told what it can and can't do and has to constantly seek approval from it's owner then it has either had it's spirit broken or is very stressed and nervous.
Dogs should be able to run free without worrying what it's owner is going to tell it what to do next. I want to see my dogs having the zoomies all running in a long line across a field with huge great smiles on their faces. I don't want them to do that solely because I have told them to. I want them to do it because they have decided that is what makes them happy!
Becky