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31-10-2008, 09:07 PM
Originally Posted by Sarah27 
I see, I thought the concept was the same as a canny collar - i.e. you get more control of the head by putting the collar high up.
I didn't realise the top of the neck is more sensitive - why is that?
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31-10-2008, 09:11 PM
Originally Posted by mishflynn
the thin slip bit
but the illusion collar and the slip collar are completely different. the illusion is like a double collar joined together bit like a neck brace to be honest. The narrow bit in this picture is a lead. I don't much like it either but although I don't think it looks very comfortable I can't see how it's too thin and would cut in.
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31-10-2008, 09:13 PM
Originally Posted by Trouble
Not nit picking honest mrs
but the illusion collar and the slip collar are completely different. the illusion is like a double collar joined together bit like a neck brace to be honest. The narrow bit in this picture is a lead. I don't much like it either but although I don't think it looks very comfortable I can't see how it's too thin and would cut in.
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31-10-2008, 09:15 PM
Originally Posted by mishflynn
The bit im refering too is the bit between the lead & that "neck brace" contraption. Lol i thought the illussion was the fact that you couldnt see it. whats te illusion about that great big thing?
His wife designed it and her name is Illusion
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31-10-2008, 09:24 PM
http://www.cesarmillaninc.com/products/i-collar.php
Theres a vid here for people who want to see it in use, You can quite clearly see it has holders for the slip bit & he only shows it used with the slip, which is thin, imo. Id like to see him use the collar without the slip attachment, & id like to see it without the jerky, i dislike some headcollars, but at least "they" do the work & you dont have to jerk them around.
My dogs if on a jolly, where a dogmatic or a fleecy harness. They pull like lunatics on a jolly, So they give me the extra control i need. the dogmatic gives me more control than the harness, so it would depend where i am going. would add i dont think head collars or Harness "train " a dog not to pull, just give more control. Because of my sport interests , i dont mind if they do pull (purely my own "quirk!")
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31-10-2008, 09:28 PM
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31-10-2008, 09:34 PM
Originally Posted by mishflynn
o and....does anyone actually want..to quote.. "a calm ,submissive dog" id be horrified if my dogs were calm & submissive!!!!!
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31-10-2008, 09:38 PM
Originally Posted by Trouble
No it isn't when fitted properly the calming band is high on the neck not on the face, there is a part that goes around the face and it's far from calming it actually sends most dogs into a frenzy trying to paw it off, or they constantly shove their head between your legs to rub it off
Er no the T Touch calming band is an elasticized figure of eight that goes around the muzzle & round the neck-just like a figure of 8 head collar except that no lead is attached
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31-10-2008, 09:42 PM
Originally Posted by Trouble
I think it depends on your interpretation of calm and submissive tbh.
I like freely Expressive animals, up in the air, tails UP & flying or Wagging & ears alert or mellow, & above all smiley eyes!
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