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Originally Posted by
Borderdawn
Again I dont agree, if you cannot provide any proof to support your theories, its pointless continuing.
Theories?:smt102 I am talking about dogs attacking people in the area I grew up, dogs chasing people down the street and biting children in the playground. You said that attacks were massively more common now yet I cannot find any evidence to suggest this? I do have a couple of links for you though;
two versions of the same story written by the BBC. I have spoken to so many people today while at work and nobody was aware of the second one, they all thought the first one was true.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7212727.stm
this is the story of what actually happened.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7247816.stm
Unfortunately the general public don't want to see headlines like "faithful rotties tries to revive collapsed owner" They want to hear about people being killed and maimed and that is what the media gives them. Had this been a fluffy cutsey type of dog then the reported story would have been completely different. If you actually look at the site I posted a link to in a previous post it states that you are more likely to be bitten by another person in this country than a dog and apparently more likely to be killed by lightning strike than dog attack
It does conjure up some strange images reading that
Originally Posted by
Borderdawn
Then we disagree once more. Dogs are treated differently now, I know for sure dogs would never be allowed to sleep on beds, eat "human" food from the plate (except leftovers) most were not allowed in the house! I dont think its because more people live alone either, its because we as a nation see dogs as pets, and as something to baby and nurture, we now look at dogs in a different light.
And I know for sure plenty of dogs that would be allowed on the furniture or the beds although none of ours were allowed food of our plates or to lick the plates either which I think is disgusting:smt078 I thought you let your dogs on your bed dawn?:smt002 Treating a dog like something to baby and nurture is not a new thing at all, it may be more common now but it's definitely not new, it didn't happen in our house or the houses of friends that I knew but we did know of a few people that did it and we thought they were completely mad, even as a child I couldn't see why they thought their dogs could understand what they were saying
Originally Posted by
Borderdawn
Of course, I agree we dont hear about all the problem dogs out there, and the normal ones will never get a mention. However, if you take the severity of the attacks that are regularly occuring across the world today, Im sure you will agree they are incredibly more horrific than they were many years ago, and I have no doubt in thinking if they were as bad years ago, something far more harsh and immediate would of been done to stop it!
I am not talking about the attacks in other countries which we only really started to hear about in recent years. Something harsh was done, the DDA was passed in an attempt to gain public support. Oddly enough the dogs that are claimed to have caused this piece of legislation never killed anyone until the little girl on new years day, years after the DDA came into force. Rottweilers however did kill a girl in the late eighties, I think there were three of them but I am struggling to find any info online about it. In the eighties we had the omen films and suddenly rottweilers were everywhere and there were problems as a result of that.
Originally Posted by
Borderdawn
Do we know for sure the dogs are not checked for health problems? They are not the cause of all bad tempered dogs you know, nor the cause for many behaviour problems. A point to be considered seriously but not the only reason.
There has not yet been any mention on his site or any of the programmes that I have watched that any of these dogs are seen by a vet to ensure that there is no undiagnosed medical reason that could be causing their behaviour, if it happens it should be mentioned but I don't believe that it does. I watched an episode a couple of nights ago with a very small dogs that didn't want to walk. He put it in with his pack and it stood there and shook air snapping occasionally at dogs that got close and pushed her. He then put her in water to get her using her legs and put her down on the ground and was suitably smug when the dog took a few steps but she was still clearly very stressed and scared. The voiceover then said that he took her to a vet and she had neurological problems and was partially blind but the vets trip was done
AFTER not before he took her on
Health problems are not the cause of all bad tempered dogs I totally agree with you on that but they should be ruled out as a possible cause first. I know horses are different but I know of more than one that was deemed dangerous and un-rideable only to later find that they had untreated back problems which were the cause of their behaviour.
Originally Posted by
Borderdawn
I dont think we will agree Colliemad, I see CM as somebody who treats dogs as dogs and gets quick results with no evidence that anyone can produce to say his tecniques do any harm to the dogs, I certainly cant see it either. I accept people prefer other methods and good luck to them, if thats their preferred choice, we all do as we see fit and make choices that will always differ from others.
Last night I watched while he strung a dog up on a pinch collar while it choked and then threw itself about, screeched and coughed but apparently it was having a tantrum
He may not advocate such collars on dogs but he is clearly happy to abuse their use and if that is treating a dog like a dog then I never have and never will and will never understand why people think this sort of thing is ok:smt102