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16-08-2007, 04:22 PM
Originally Posted by megan57collies View Post
I would very much like to know the name of this so called reputable breeder who is cross breeding blue merles. The BC clubs have strict codes of conducts regards breeding ethics. Please PM me with her details. If she a well know breeder as you put it I would have heard of her. I would like also to know what evidence you have of this. If you can send me the information I will look into this and report her to the BC Clubs who will then look into it. It would be anonymous as obviously I don't know your identity. I'm sure you'll be happy to help if one bad breeder can be stopped.
Thanks
I have a dog called podge almost completely deaf and blind! he has lots of other relatives all who went to rescue deaf and blind. He has lucky relatives who were ok and made the breeder a lot of money. Unfortunatly i dont have the ladies details, but trust that the rescue does not lie!
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16-08-2007, 04:23 PM
I really don't how reptuable breeders are adding to the rescue situation

They will take pups back they bred so therefore are not adding to the problem.
Our first Stafford was a rescue one but when he passed onto the bridge we wanted one with registration papers so we could show.

No rescue (a decent one) will home a dog with it's papers,many go into rescue without any.

We had a rescue springer last year,sadly we had to return him because he had issues we couldn't solve,not through trying.

I also have children and it's important to us that a puppy is brought up correctly around children.
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16-08-2007, 04:24 PM
Originally Posted by Minihaha View Post
In that case tinklady blame the people who:
.. buy a poorly bred puppy from 'just anywhere' rather than waiting for one from a good breeder,
..haven't a clue that a puppy is about as much work as a new baby (all be it for a short period of time)
.. don't bother/are too idle to put the work in to training and socialise their puppy,
..can't afford the vets fees went their dog is ill,

Don't blame the good breeders and those who work hard to raise their dogs correctly, we are not the bad ones here!

The good owners and breeders here know having a dog is like having a child, you are taking on a commitment for maybe 18 years. Our dogs don't end up in rescue so you are preaching to the converted.
So you beleive that all breeders know where their dogs are now?
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16-08-2007, 04:29 PM
Originally Posted by tinkladyv View Post
I have a dog called podge almost completely deaf and blind! he has lots of other relatives all who went to rescue deaf and blind. He has lucky relatives who were ok and made the breeder a lot of money. Unfortunatly i dont have the ladies details, but trust that the rescue does not lie!
Where is this rescue. There are not that many blue merle breeders. would you be able to find out the breeders affix as you have a good relationship with the rescue. Is the rescue saying that they are constantly getting dogs in from this woman?
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16-08-2007, 04:30 PM
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Well try many tears for starters and then breed rescue, im sure you will have some luck!
Could i ask why you need this perfect poodle anyhow?
Because they are the breed I love and I want a healthy, long lived companion not one with potential health issues and behavioural problems due to their poor upbringing.

Originally Posted by tinkladyv View Post
So you beleive that all breeders know where their dogs are now?
No I don't think she does believe that, I would love to know where some of my pups went but despite getting people to sign a contract that they had to come back to me they just dumped the puppy on someone else, even they couldn't tell me who it was. That, however, is not my fault, I would willingly take back any puppy I bred (and have done and rehomed them), my last litter I donated to Hearing Dogs for Deaf People.
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16-08-2007, 04:36 PM
yes they are! im not going to start giving the details of the breeder as she gives the pups to the rescue after a lot of persuasion and i think i might ruin that relationship otherwise.
But here is a pic of Podge to prove that im not making this up:
PODGE IS A SPECIAL NEEDS PUP





24-07-07 Ten week old collie pup Podge has partial hearing and partial sight. He loves cuddles and is extremely huggable. He will reward you for taking him on with the love he will give. He will need a special doggy friend to help him. Please do not pass him by. There is no adoption fee though a donation would help.
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16-08-2007, 04:37 PM
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Because they are the breed I love and I want a healthy, long lived companion not one with potential health issues and behavioural problems due to their poor upbringing.



No I don't think she does believe that, I would love to know where some of my pups went but despite getting people to sign a contract that they had to come back to me they just dumped the puppy on someone else, even they couldn't tell me who it was. That, however, is not my fault, I would willingly take back any puppy I bred (and have done and rehomed them), my last litter I donated to Hearing Dogs for Deaf People.
Becky
But this is just my point!!!! They do end up in rescue and some do get destroyed, so why would you want to continue that?????
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16-08-2007, 04:38 PM
I promised I wouldn't read yet another rescue v's breeders post but I'm just so surprised that the main accusation is making money from a litter. This normally comes from someone who has never bred a litter and has little idea of the cost.
Just recently I went to visit a friend whose had 5 pups. She had a waiting list and all had homes by 2 weeks.
5 puppies times £400 = 2000

Right here we go,

Cost of hips, eyes, TNS, CLA, PRA and other health and blood tests = 1 puppy

Cost of stud dog = 1 puppy

Cost of csection when there was a problem with stuck pup = 1 and half puppies

Cost of feeding 5 pups, buying whelping box, bedding, food, getting eye checks done, getting first jabs done, getting each puppy microchipped, getting puppy packs together
= 1 pup

Cost of petrol inspecting and homechecking
= Half a puppy

Cost of six weeks at home therefore loss of ways
= 2 puppies

Friend only bred as she wanted to keep a puppy so no money made on one puppy

Cost of having a litter = £4000
Money made from pups = 1600

Where is the profit? I make it a loss of nearly £2500
And this was a straight forward litter apart from the C section. It would have been cheaper to let the pup die then have the op to save it.
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16-08-2007, 04:39 PM
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I really don't how reptuable breeders are adding to the rescue situation

They will take pups back they bred so therefore are not adding to the problem.
Our first Stafford was a rescue one but when he passed onto the bridge we wanted one with registration papers so we could show.

No rescue (a decent one) will home a dog with it's papers,many go into rescue without any.

We had a rescue springer last year,sadly we had to return him because he had issues we couldn't solve,not through trying.

I also have children and it's important to us that a puppy is brought up correctly around children.
No rescue (a decent one) will home a dog with it's papers,many go into rescue without any.

Why?
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16-08-2007, 04:41 PM
Originally Posted by megan57collies View Post
I promised I wouldn't read yet another rescue v's breeders post but I'm just so surprised that the main accusation is making money from a litter. This normally comes from someone who has never bred a litter and has little idea of the cost.
Just recently I went to visit a friend whose had 5 pups. She had a waiting list and all had homes by 2 weeks.
5 puppies times £400 = 2000

Right here we go,

Cost of hips, eyes, TNS, CLA, PRA and other health and blood tests = 1 puppy

Cost of stud dog = 1 puppy

Cost of csection when there was a problem with stuck pup = 1 and half puppies

Cost of feeding 5 pups, buying whelping box, bedding, food, getting eye checks done, getting first jabs done, getting each puppy microchipped, getting puppy packs together
= 1 pup

Cost of petrol inspecting and homechecking
= Half a puppy

Cost of six weeks at home therefore loss of ways
= 2 puppies

Friend only bred as she wanted to keep a puppy so no money made on one puppy

Cost of having a litter = £4000
Money made from pups = 1600

Where is the profit? I make it a loss of nearly £2500
And this was a straight forward litter apart from the C section. It would have been cheaper to let the pup die then have the op to save it.
How do you gather that my main accusation is making money...it is not, it is that healthy dogs are being destroed!
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