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02-11-2007, 06:27 AM   #1

difference between CKCS and KCS?


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02-11-2007, 06:41 AM   #2

Re: difference between CKCS and KCS?


King Charles Spaniel or Cavalier King Charles Spaniel





King Charles Spaniel
THERE IS A DIFFERENCE!




Cavalier King Charles Spaniel

Many people are unable to recognise the difference between King Charles Spaniels and Cavalier King Charles Spaniels. They are two entirely different breeds and apart from sharing the same coat colours, have totally separate breed standards, characteristics and identities.

The Cavalier King Charles Spaniel as we know it today was not given official Kennel Club recognition until 1945. The King Charles Spaniel whose history has been documented since the 15th Century has its origins in the courts of Europe. In 2000 only 185 King Charles Spaniel puppies were registered with the U.K. Kennel Club while the registrations for Cavalier King Charles Spaniel puppies exceeded 11,400.

The media often incorrectly describes most Cavalier King Charles Spaniels when they appear in the press as being King Charles Spaniels, this only causes more confusion. It is very alarming for new owners when presenting their puppy to a Veterinary Surgeon for examination to be told that their beautiful, well reared King Charles Spaniel is an extremely bad specimen of a Cavalier King Charles Spaniel. This has happened on several occasions, causing the purchaser much distress and has led to threats of legal action against the breeder. Several of the reasons quoted have been:

1. Because the dog has a domed head it most probably has Hydrocephalus.
2. Because the dog has an Undershot Jaw it may need corrective surgery in the future.
3. Because the dog has Fused Nails and Pads it may need future surgery.

All these i.e. Domed Skull, Undershot Jaw and Fused Toes are breed specific to the King Charles Spaniel Breed Standard. To quote from the two breed standards:


The King Charles Spaniel


Head and Skull
Distinctive Domed head full over eyes. Nose, large wide open nostrils very short and turned up to meet skull.

The Cavalier King Charles Spaniel

Head and Skull
Skull almost flat between ears.
Shallow stop, length from base of stop to tip of nose about 1 ½"

Mouth
Bite should be slightly undershot.


Mouth
Jaws strong with perfect regular and complete scissor bite.

Feet
Compact, well padded and feathered, toes well knuckled, round cat shaped foot, well cushioned, pasterns firm. Occasionally central pad and nails fused together.

Feet
Compact cushioned and well feathered.


Size
Weight: 8 - 14 lbs.

Size
Weight: 12-18 lbs. A small well balanced dog well within these weights desirable.

Colour:
Black and Tan, Tricolour, Blenheim, Ruby

Colour:
Black and Tan, Tricolour, Blenheim, Ruby.

Tail:
Docking is optional in this breed. If carried out this should be done whilst a puppy, at the appropriate time by a qualified Veterinary Surgeon. N.B. Some King Charles Spaniels are born with a short tail, a kinked, or an apparently broken tail. In these circumstances the tail usually is docked.

Tail:
Docking is optional

Temperament:
Reserved, gentle and affectionate.

Temperament:
Gay, friendly, non-aggressive, no tendency to nervousness.

Bearing these points in mind it should be easier to differentiate between the two breeds and to help prevent the confusion which exists today.

The King Charles Spaniel

The Cavalier King Charles Spaniel

Head






Head






Foot with fused pads






Foot Compact, cushioned, well feathered






Mouth slightly undershot





Mouth scissor bite









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02-11-2007, 07:02 AM   #3

Re: difference between CKCS and KCS?


That is everything I needed to know, thankyou so much for your extensivr answer. I shall sound slightly more knowledgable if talking to owners in the future.



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02-11-2007, 07:19 AM   #4

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Originally Posted by Fudgeley
That is everything I needed to know, thankyou so much for your extensivr answer. I shall sound slightly more knowledgable if talking to owners in the future.
I did the short hand and copied and pasted - twas a bit early for me type all that



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02-11-2007, 07:50 AM   #5

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Fudgeley
That is everything I needed to know, thankyou so much for your extensivr answer. I shall sound slightly more knowledgable if talking to owners in the future.
LOL I explain the differences as being :

Cavaliers have a muzzle, KCS don't
Cavaliers have a flatter skull between the ears
Cavaliers are bigger
Cavaliers have full tails, KCS often don't(even now docking has ended they can be born with shorter or screw tails)
Cavaliers are much more outgoing



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02-11-2007, 09:01 AM   #6

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wow birdie ...you have learnt well very impressed

fab post xx



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02-11-2007, 09:11 AM   #7

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Interesting post , i am now more educated myself now as i often wondered too , but was too embarrased to ask , incase there was not a lot of difference lol xxdk



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02-11-2007, 09:15 AM   #8

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Interesting post , i am now more educated myself now as i often wondered too , but was too embarrased to ask , incase there was not a lot of difference lol xxdk
aw bless you

huge difference in temperment as well ...



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02-11-2007, 09:19 AM   #9

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I see , lots of differences isnt there , but i would usually just look at them and think theyre the same , at least now i will be able to try and define the two , Thanks inca , xxdk



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02-11-2007, 09:22 AM   #10

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Going to sound really daft now , but ive heard it said that there is one breed , i think its the cavalier king charles , that is allowed into places where dogs are not , because its classed as the kings breed , sorry if im wrong as i have very little knowledge of the two breeds , and someone may have been haven a joke at my expense L,O,L xxdk



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