The perfect obedience sit.

Sit is not a problem its the perfect obedience sit i would like ??

Whats the difference?

Which component is causing you trouble

Speed
Symmetry
Tightness
Position - ie recall, heel, on the move, distance control

I've been wondering how to get it too. My problem at the moment is that instead of sitting like this

which is how I've seen dogs in obedience sitting (although obviously not on a chest of drawers lol)

Spencer sits like this

as have all my dogs except Rupert.
Is that the same problem you have Murf?

That and straightness ....

I show my pup the reverse of my hand, when his nose touches it i flick the hand round and treat (i'll move on to toys soon)

the back of my hand sits at a line between his eyes and mine

the orientation of his body will follow the angles of my arm so i kind of tuck by elbow into the back of my ribs which creates a good straight tight sit

not sure if that makes sense, sometimes you need to see these things

Dogs sit sloppily for a number of reasons.

Poor core body strength
Slippery floors
Underdeveloped ventral muscles
Underdeveloped back muscle
Immaturity
Poor training
Spinal/Hip problems
Conformation

So have a think and discard those that do not apply, and then you are left with the probabilities you need to work on

I shouldn't laugh but that is a funny pic! Especially with the comparison pic above...

Whisper's rubbish at it. She knows full well she *should* sit but will think long and hard about it before actually doing it!

Or maybe it's more that I'm a rubbish trainer...... ....I think I've got lazy with Whisper. Is 8 years old too old to try clicker training?