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talassie
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25-04-2012, 07:48 AM

Problem dogs for tv series

Problem dogs wanted if anyone is interested.

I need you and your problem dog!

Today I had a phone call from ITV wishing to make a programme about retraining problem dogs, even those with dangerous behaviour. I am looking for five owners of dogs with problem behaviour who would like to take part in and appear on this programme. This is short notice but I need you to let me know by tomorrow 4pm at the latest. If you are interested and prepared to appear in this programme with your dog, then please either reply to this newsletter with you name, address, breed and age of dog, rescue or your own and the problems they are giving you. Please remember the deadline is tomorrow at 4pm and you will need to be available for filming probably at
short notice. Thank you in advance.

Steven Havers
www.haversspecialiseddogtraining.co.uk
01530242209
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25-04-2012, 09:49 AM
Nobody??????? I kinda wish I had a problem dog to get some help for free? (of course not really cos i love Samson just the way he is..... so far )
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25-04-2012, 10:35 AM
I looked at the website.
No qualifications stated
No training method stated
hmm.......
Wouldn`t touch it.
I`d join the working dog club in one of his links though!
Don`t get me wrong - he might be marvellous. But telling us he`s marvellous isn`t enough. Why does he not quote experience / qualifications / affiliations?
Why doesn`t he say what methods he uses?
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25-04-2012, 10:37 AM
Oh i wasn't quite as thorough as you
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25-04-2012, 10:54 AM
Originally Posted by ClaireandDaisy View Post
I looked at the website.
No qualifications stated
No training method stated
hmm.......
Wouldn`t touch it.
I`d join the working dog club in one of his links though!
Don`t get me wrong - he might be marvellous. But telling us he`s marvellous isn`t enough. Why does he not quote experience / qualifications / affiliations?
Why doesn`t he say what methods he uses?
Exactly. Reading through the case studies and I'm noticing a suspicious lack of exact details on what he does. Many mention that "Steve told us exactly how to handle the situation" or "Steve told us how to communicate what we wanted so that Fido would listen" but not what methods he use. I notice that in the case studies, using treats/rewards seems to be "poo pooed" a few times too, e.g.

I turned Ned into an excited bundle of stress that would do nothing without me bribing and blackmailing him with a ball or food…no wonder he had no respect!
We had a home visit from one behaviourist who spent two hours trying to convince us that we had a nervous dog and that the best way forward would be to reward her with treats for letting us through the dog gate but never even set foot outside the house with Remy. That cost us £100 and got us nowhere.
Steven doesn’t follow the norm of every other dog training website I’ve seen, he offers dog and owner training in the real world in real life situations and that is what makes him so different from the rest. Your dog doesn’t just learn to sit or be next to you because you tell it to or feed it treats, it does these things because it wants to and for that reason alone I would happily recommend him to any person I ever met with a dog.
Don't like the sound of this either
He came in and went straight to Remy at the gate and showed her he meant business, she shut up and backed away - wow! He talked and we listened and understood the reasons behind her behaviour. Yes, Remy was tense and stressed, but she was also controlling us and we had to take that control back. We were told and shown what to do - no walks for a week? - use an upturned sweeping brush to move her to where we wanted her? Seemed unusual but we all followed the instructions. It wasn't easy, we had two years of incorrect training to turn around, but a phone call or email always got a quick reply from Steven telling us how to handle her. Things improved slowly at first but each week saw an improvement - we were telling her what to do and she was accepting it. Remy was becoming the dog we wanted -a pleasure to walk on a slack lead, not barking her head off at people passing the house, and actually moving away from the dog gate for us to go through with no treats in sight! So calm and chilled around home we thought she was ill.
Several mentions of pack dynamics, taking power away from the dog, etc. too
At the end of the week Steven had helped me to understand the pack dynamics and shift power away from Archie.
Not all the time – the dog was still trying to re assert itself in ways I didn’t always notice – but Steven made me aware of these.
Whilst I think we recognised that the dogs regarded themselves as superior to us, we didn’t realise by how much! They are now, slowly but surely, losing control of us and recognising their position in the “pack”.
And these ones (both from the same owner)
. Steve clearly understands dog psychology and was able to explain it to me in simple terms. He made it clear that a dog such as Duke needed to be dominated and showed that he was not top dog; I needed to show him that I was in control and that he could trust me to take care of him.
Steve worked with Duke (and me) in different areas of the house, identifying opportunities and strategies to correct his behaviour and establish my place as top dog.
Also surprised at the case study of prey drive being fixed with a "simple method" in 3 hours - intrigued at what kind of method can solve that so quickly Ditto with reactive dogs being "cured" in one home visit..

There's not anything blatently screaming out "No way!" but enough small things flagging up to make me doubt it. I've seen several mentions of him having been on BBC Radio Leicester - maybe there's a podcast of it somewhere that would shed a bit more light?
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25-04-2012, 11:17 AM
Like to see what he'd make of Cain...particularly if he tries to move him around with a broom
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25-04-2012, 11:19 AM
Sounds like a NILIF person who has been watching the Mexican Dog-botherer to me.
But then...
perhaps he`d like to come on and reassure us?
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25-04-2012, 11:56 AM
Originally Posted by ClaireandDaisy View Post
Sounds like a NILIF person who has been watching the Mexican Dog-botherer to me.
But then...
perhaps he`d like to come on and reassure us?
I always feel that these programmes are made more for the egos of the people who involved than for the dogs benefit.

What is it about humans that the minute they get in front of camera they change completely.

Trainning (or retraining) is not a ten minute job, a programme on TV can not possibly show all aspects of the task, and it often gives a misconception to viewers and makes them think it is all so simple and quick, it's not, it takes a lot of time and dedication.
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25-04-2012, 01:17 PM
It's the UK remake of The Dog Botherer!

Not going anywhere near my dogs, that's for sure. But I can't wait to see it on TV just out of curiosity.
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25-04-2012, 01:40 PM
No offence to the OP, but would hope people will not touch this with a barge pole.

Good grief. Even reading some of this:

Your dogs behaviour is created by you, by how you react to what they do. Steven Havers will teach you how to change which behaviour you reward with your reaction so your dog will quickly learn to be very well behaved for you, guaranteed.

Wys: (That's not always true but a neat way of blaming the owner if he can't mend the dog ...)


•Steven Havers and his Dog Behaviour Training will change your dogs behaviour He gives your dog the chance to try different behaviours and to learn to make the decision and choose the behaviour you want. All you have to do then is praise and fuss your dog. The only equipment you will need is a collar and lead.

Wys: Hmm, if only .... yes some dogs do do this, but not very many - , and what about the more independent breeds? Terriers, hounds, etc....

The only reward your dog needs is the most powerful and most important one of all, you and your love

Wys: Sadly, that's poppycock.

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