Good post !!

Maybe the clue is in the "good breeder" , I know someone who has had corgis for many many years,and have never known one of them to be hindered by their build, they live on a livery yard and do all the things farm dogs do.


That would be the captive wolf, that lives in a unnatural environment, with all the medical /artificial care available ,

The average lifespan for a "wild" wolf, is around 7/8 yrs, due to the fact like many wild animals, they live a harsh life of survival, the strongest survive, the weakest/sick die,

Never sure why people try to justify the wild against the domesticated , i.e... the wild is healthier, they are not, they have short lifespans, not something I would hope for my domesticated pets.

Don't even get me started on the UK Dachshund (particularly the mini wire) and how it has been cocked up totally in this country. BUT is allowed to carry on. Mkes my blood boil

LOL---comparing captive wolves to captive dogs is fine, Comparing wild wolves to wild dogs is fine.

Ben didn't compare wild wolves to captive dogs----which wouldn't have been fine! You did.

rune

Ok well the places I looked at obviously missinformed
But even for captive the point still holds

For a similar sized dog to a wolf the dog who has had the benifit of human control on its breeding, greater vet and food care they still do not have longer (or in most breeds that size they don't even reach) average life expectancies than the captive wolf

It would be expected they would have longer lives if our intervention was helping them

Did I ...........

BTW ..Ben did not specify either or.. just wolf.

Don`t they, so your saying domesticated large dogs dont reach double figures.

So instead of defending themselves they run away like children and take the ball home, personally if someone was going to witch hunt me i would not run away bur defend my position.
How the last programme could be classed as a witch hunt is ridiculous, yes some of it was not very well edited and could have been done better but the crux of the programme was spot on and has and will lead to a better KC and show world in time.

Funnily enough, I've just watched *that* programme again, armed with a couple of years more knowledge than the first time round, and found it to be incredibly flawed.

Apparently, genetic conditions are increasing? How can this be in closed gene pools, or do they mean genetic conditions related to conformation issues, which is something entirely different. Opening gene pools can have it's own problems in bringing in other conditions, that then become a problem a few years down the line, and of course, by then, as no-one has tested for this problem, as it wasn't one in that particular breed, it's then more difficult to eradicate.

Also, Labradors are riddled with joint and eye problems, funny that, because most of the Labs I see move absolutely fine (except Indie when I want her out of my chair) and can see a hand going in the pocket for a treat at half a mile. I think I'd be right in saying that it's the dogs that are bred by byb's and puppy farmers in this breed, that suffer more problems than those from show, working or pet homes. And yet I'm sure if you did a poll, a majority of people would believe show bred Labradors were less healthy overall. I wonder where that perception comes from?

It's amazing how it's only *inbreeding* with dogs that seems to be focussed on, not with cattle, sheep or other animals, where it's done to a greater extent in some instances. You only have to look at some other animals to see how we've completely changed them from the original, and yet that's somehow more acceptable, look at the way we breed cattle for maximum muscle to give us beef. Why is one seen as good, and the other, seen as bad.

Never mind the dogs that weren't show dogs, the ones who weren't even kc reg and the gsd import. Nor was there any mention of pf's in the prog.

Think it's right to say there was more issues than simply biassed editing.

Shame really, as there was a great opportunity for a balanced attempt at educating the wider GP wasted, for the sake of a genders and sensationalism...this is from someone who doesn't show.

Hope the sequel if there's still to be one, does a better job.