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30-09-2011, 09:03 PM
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I find it incredibly sad that once again a perfectly innocent thread about dogs with allergies and food intolerances, and the problems ensuing from Wafcol doing something to the recipe, has turned into an excuse for SB to insult and deeply irritate people. I wonder what is lacking in your life SB, that makes you constantly do this? You will roll your eyes and wink, as you always do - but I for one find your comments unhelpful and patronising in the extreme.

I find being accused of lying very insulting and deeply irritating, I wonder what is lacking on Reubens life to make them constantly do this?

I find it incedibly sad that some people have nothing better to do than make insulting accusations rather than debate the issue. I find these sort of accusations unhelpful and patronising in the extreme.


Good breeding stock is never something that is taken into consideration when rehoming a dog, as we did, and for those with pedigree dogs brought up from puppies some of your comments are incredibly rude.

What is rude about identifying that dogs with health issues may be bred from less robust stock?

Do you think that could never be a factor in dogs with allergies and intolerances and never to be considered?

We KNOW in humans that a tendency to particular skin issues ARE hereditary eg excema etc so why not in dogs?


No method of feeding, or type of food, is ever going to suit each and every dog. What is good for your dogs may be absolute poison for others, and also as VelvetB has said - the foods under discussion on this thread are anything but cheap.

Exactly my point.And these foods ARE a lot cheaper than OTHERS but of course not as cheap as SOME

This is why I NEVER say that ONE particuar food or one WAY of feeding is THE way (before being accused of lying once again by anyone there are plenty of posts to support this FACT).
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30-09-2011, 09:10 PM
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SB - Wafcol is most definitely NOT a cheap kibble, I don't know where you get/got that from. I actually find that remark a bit insulting to think that I would feed my sensitive / dietary intolerant dog/s a cheap food. Wafcol has always been a specialist dietary food and as such we have paid for it. The last time I bought the big bag and only because they didn't have the smaller bags, it was approx £52. That is NOT what I would term a cheap kibble

As for swopping kibble for raw at short notice, I think you have been remarkably lucky with your dogs, not to have had problems - I envy that, it is something I could never do just swopping one food for the other, I would have a very ill dog.

Yes I think I HAVE been remarkably lucky with my dogs in all sorts of ways. But swapping cold turkey is not unique to me it has been done by HUNDREDS of raw feeders as consulting sites such as Britbarf will testify!


If that is the case why has Harvey's problems not cleared? OR substantially improved? As a last ditch resort and for the want to try something totally different and new - it was recommended I try Orijen! There has not been a big deal of difference to the dog and I hesitate to say this, he does not like it very much, and I find to fill him up I am having to feed a lot more of it so bang goes the theory that you feed less on a better quality food

Yes it must be very galling to find that your dog does not appear to be able to benefit from this food either in terms of health or reduced cost by feeding less.

I have no idea why your dog's issues have not cleared, nor does it appear does anyone else.

And of course those who choose to get their dogs from rescue or buy cross breeds will always be less sure of ANY health issues in the dog's background. This is a matter of FACT not value.

As for cost - with £10 delivery it came to £68 for the large bag - not a lot of difference between the Wafcol at £52 and the Orijen at £58.............


Differences aside, to give Orijen a fair chance I think he will need to be on it for a while longer - finish the bag anyway

Unless you have identified the specific allergen(s) that cause your dog's problems you will always be guessing and experimenting to determine which food is best for your dog.
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30-09-2011, 09:12 PM
not read the whole thread... but on the subject of wafcol...there is a large range and most of it imo is not a brilliant food and is kinda 'cheap' the fish one seems to be the most superior of the range

that said with food...what suits one does not suit another and there does seem to be a 'food snobbery' but if it suits the dog that doesnt matter..does it?
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30-09-2011, 09:29 PM
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not read the whole thread... but on the subject of wafcol...there is a large range and most of it imo is not a brilliant food and is kinda 'cheap' the fish one seems to be the most superior of the range

that said with food...what suits one does not suit another and there does seem to be a 'food snobbery' but if it suits the dog that doesnt matter..does it?
Absolutely not, apart from the fact that not everyone can afford all foods, so people do, as in all walks of life, the best they can.
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30-09-2011, 09:43 PM
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Unless you have identified the specific allergen(s) that cause your dog's problems you will always be guessing and experimenting to determine which food is best for your dog.
As with his sister nothing specific came out of the test results except the fact they are allergic to grass in the growing season, ie when the grass is growing. That however is contact allergy whereby they chew their feet
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30-09-2011, 09:44 PM
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not read the whole thread... but on the subject of wafcol...there is a large range and most of it imo is not a brilliant food and is kinda 'cheap' the fish one seems to be the most superior of the range

that said with food...what suits one does not suit another and there does seem to be a 'food snobbery' but if it suits the dog that doesnt matter..does it?
£52 for a bag of food is cheap? What do you call expensive?
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30-09-2011, 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Bitkin
I find it incredibly sad that once again a perfectly innocent thread about dogs with allergies and food intolerances, and the problems ensuing from Wafcol doing something to the recipe, has turned into an excuse for SB to insult and deeply irritate people. I wonder what is lacking in your life SB, that makes you constantly do this? You will roll your eyes and wink, as you always do - but I for one find your comments unhelpful and patronising in the extreme.

I find being accused of lying very insulting and deeply irritating, I wonder what is lacking on Reubens life to make them constantly do this?
I dont see anywhere in this whole thread where Reuben said you were lying, that is your interpretation of what she said

I find it incedibly sad that some people have nothing better to do than make insulting accusations rather than debate the issue. I find these sort of accusations unhelpful and patronising in the extreme.

Good breeding stock is never something that is taken into consideration when rehoming a dog, as we did, and for those with pedigree dogs brought up from puppies some of your comments are incredibly rude.

What is rude about identifying that dogs with health issues may be bred from less robust stock?
You are talking absolute rubbish, Harvey is bred from champion dogs both sides of his pedigree and is definitely not inferior.

Do you think that could never be a factor in dogs with allergies and intolerances and never to be considered?
how do you explain cross breeds and mongrels with allergies and intolerances?

We KNOW in humans that a tendency to particular skin issues ARE hereditary eg excema etc so why not in dogs?

If either of the parents have ezcema there is a higher risk of any children having it, it does not mean to say that every child in the family will develop it

No method of feeding, or type of food, is ever going to suit each and every dog. What is good for your dogs may be absolute poison for others, and also as VelvetB has said - the foods under discussion on this thread are anything but cheap.

Exactly my point.And these foods ARE a lot cheaper than OTHERS but of course not as cheap as SOME
You are contradicting yourself. Wafcol Salmon is not a lot cheaper, it is in the same price range as Orijen
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30-09-2011, 10:01 PM
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£52 for a bag of food is cheap? What do you call expensive?
the price u pay doesn't always reflect the quality

..that said they do do cheaper than that..the greyhound range for


eta... and i did say imo the fish one is the superior one
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30-09-2011, 10:10 PM
btw vb...i did just see u can get 2 x 12kg for £77
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30-09-2011, 10:29 PM
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btw vb...i did just see u can get 2 x 12kg for £77
Wafcol or Orijen? Cheap for either - where is that? I dont think I will be repeating either again, Bitkin is getting better results with Fish4dogs.

Im begining to wonder if I should have a FBP done in case there is anything else going on
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