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08-02-2011, 01:08 PM
Originally Posted by Adam Palmer 
total nonesense adam all dogs will as lorraine pointed out time effort and paitence is all that is needed.
Smokeybear who posts here uses them and she is a good sports trainer promarc, the only advantage I see by taking longer is it makes more money for the trainer. Smokeybear says they don’t hurt, have you ever been shown how to use one?
Smokeybear, Alison Tohme, http://tinyurl.com/4fny9mu
Adam
That very same photo was posted on another forum by a banned user on here. It was never substantiated on that forum, but, even if it does turn out to be the poster in question and her dog, it would make no difference at all as to how these collars work, or whether it is justifiable to use equipment designed to give physical punishment to a dog.
IMHO it is not necessary to ever use a prong/pinch collar to train a dog. If SB thinks it is, then I disagree with her too on this issue - simples!
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08-02-2011, 01:11 PM
Originally Posted by Tupacs2legs
ever heard of being stoic or suffering in silence Adam
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08-02-2011, 01:13 PM
Originally Posted by magpye
Thats because dogs innately trust us and love us and look to us for guidance.. I have seen dogs with horrific injuries or having suffered from terrible abuse look at their owners and even their abusers the same way...
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08-02-2011, 01:13 PM
Originally Posted by Adam Palmer
****** who posts here uses them and she is a good sports trainer promarc, the only advantage I see by taking longer is it makes more money for the trainer.*******says they don’t hurt, have you ever been shown how to use one?
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Adam
I think it is up to the member in question to post her photographs if she so chooses , it is not for you and your mentor to make that choice .
Originally Posted by Brierley
Adam, why would you think a photo of a member of the forum would prove anything at all in respect of whether a piece of equipment is good or bad?That very same photo was posted on another forum by a banned user on here. It was never substantiated on that forum, but, even if it does turn out to be the poster in question and her dog, it would make no difference at all as to how these collars work, or whether it is justifiable to use equipment designed to give physical punishment to a dog.
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08-02-2011, 01:15 PM
Originally Posted by Adam Palmer
I'm not posting on anyones behalf!
The fact is smokeybear is a well regarded schutzand trainer and it is easy to find pics of her dog.
The reason I added her to this thread was simply because she is an example of someone who uses prong collars.
Adam
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08-02-2011, 01:15 PM
Originally Posted by Adam Palmer
That doesn't prove the prong collar worked by pain though, it just proves that the dog responded better to it than to a flat collar.
Looking at the white dog in the picture with the prong on, it certainly doesn't seem bothered. In fact it appears quite relaxed yet focused.
Adam
Look again at the white dog in the picture - no lead attached and no pressure on the collar <sigh>. Do you ever think before you comment?
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08-02-2011, 01:24 PM
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08-02-2011, 01:34 PM
Originally Posted by Azz
Yes. And if Adam posts on his behalf, or things he's said - his account will be banned too. Take that as a final warning Adam.
very good to hear that!
Dc was ruined by Denis and Lou. Il get comfy then!
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08-02-2011, 01:36 PM
Originally Posted by Kerriebaby
very good to hear that!
Dc was ruined by Denis and Lou. Il get comfy then!
Make yourself at home - nice to have you here
