Well, that's kind of you to say so CC, but I would disagree with you on the patience front. I do like to think though that I am never nasty, rude, abusive, aggressive or bullying. As I have said before, if I ever have been, then I apologise.

You have probably noticed that I have tried really hard to keep out of the latest anti CM diatribe because it just gets so boring. But I could not stand by and see this poor lady getting bullied and abused. I expect she has left by now never to return ... yet another interesting contributor forced out by the bitch pack.

You can't go through life wanting to zap people into oblivion because you don't like them. We have to all learn to live together. Ignorance is bliss.

Running away wont help you do this imo. There are a few posters on here (Dogsey) that I have a very low opinion of but it would never be enough for me to leave. Life is full of people you like, people you hate, people you are indifferent to and people you love. That is da woyld!

Gnasher, you are such a moron and you make me giggle regardless xx

For the record:

I don't like CM, I don't agree with his way of treating dogs but I have nothing against people who do.

Having said that I have done and always will stick up for those on here I think are being ''bullied''.

A moron eh?

Well, I've never been called that before - I rather like it !!

Wasn't there a song about so and so is a Moron, and so is Michael Fish, or something along those lines!

I am glad you agree with me about bullies. As someone who was very badly bullied herself at boarding school and other places ... until I learned to stand up for myself ... it is a subject that is close to my heart.

Challenge/ Question / Disagree / is that not how debates work... one opinion being opposed by another.

Sorry I cant believe you see it differently!!

Maybe in future in a debate we should just not post if we disagree with a poster.

Ooops , then it would not be a debate would it!!!!

sorry but i take offence in being accused of being in a bunch of bullies chasing someone off a forum or that i am a sheep jumping on a bandwagon

i made my views on cm long before i came on this forum, i have been on forums where i am the only anti but i still stand my ground

some things i see cm do i beleive to be downright cruel
i can only go on what people say they do with their dogs, if someone came on here and said they beat there dog none of us would pussyfoot around, we would all agree that was cruel
i can only go by what has been said here
i beleive the alpha roll is cruel and it only teaches a dog that you can overpower it
i have never seen a dog alpha roll another dog, i have seen lots of dogs roll over to other dogs but never one force another onto its back and if i did i would get in there pretty quick and stop the situation

i have said before and i will say again
as a kid i remember a training method where you had to become the alpha by stairing down the dog then when it broke eye contact you had to mount the dog

i see dogs do things like that in real life, it seems to make sense, so why dont all you alpha people mount your dogs?

-and before anyone takes me at my word stairing down an agressive dog would be another pretty good way to get bit, humping, hmm tried it with mine they though it was a fab new game

Bullies are only bullies if you let them be. OK, that's a little hard to stick to in some cases I know but it's a nice idea to work on.

absolutely challenge, question and disagree, Jackbox.

But do it NICELY !! Politely, in a non-aggressive, non-bullying, non-confrontational way.

I am not picking on you per se here, just making a point.

True - but bullying can also be perceived. If you think you are being bullied, then you are being bullied. Bullying is in the eye of the beholder, as it were!

I learned this from my days as a legal secretary working for the Employment Partner. Other people might not think you are being bullied, or that they are bullying you, but if the "victim" thinks he is being bullied, then he has a case of bullying and harassment.

Ben : I wasn't insinuating any one person - I was accusing Becky in particular of bullying Gemma, but it is unfair actually to single her out, there are others. I am tempted to say "if the cap fits, wear it", but that WOULD be unfair, because I don't believe you are intolerant of other people's opinions and viewpoints. I think I can say we have always dealt fairly with each other, even though we have differing points of view. This is what a good debate is all about.

And I love your name ... and the Avator of your dog !!