doing it to himself! in that case the dog on the treadmill also 'did it to himself'

is this for real?

rune

well i can't accept that any dog would deliberately strangle itself. if you truly believe that these dogs are merely throwing a tantrum and trying to strangle themselves, well i'm shocked.

even the man himself says they aren't human!!! dogs wouldn't try and hurt themselves for any reason, let alone to prove a point. why? because they are not human.

come on gnasher, this is getting utterly ridiculous now.

Yep, thats right . I am entitled to interpret what I SEE how I SEE it!!!!!!!!

You may think its rubbish, and I AGREE with you, a "rubbish" way to treat any dog.

I think they are talking about Gracie, the dog belonging to the Grogans (Marley & Me). We've argued this one several pages back, I'm not sure why it's been bought back up. Cesar gave it one of his 'bites', twice. It's been alleged that he 'hit/smacked the dog, I disagreed, & that his timing was wrong, I couldn't agree or disagree as I am not expert. Result was the dog stopped chasing the chicken & the family were happy. The clip is on lots of posts if you look back but its only about 15 secs long, so you don't see the whole session.

Fine, your opinion mate.

But allow other's to have their's please.

Oh right, yes I have seen that episode a couple of times. Is that the one where CM was terrifying a poor chicken !! And it poohed on him.

I was horrified about the way the poor chicken was abused, NOT the dog !! Joking apart, I am serious about the chicken.

The dog was not slapped, struck, hit or smacked. He was "bitten" by Cesar with his trademark finger stab.

Shadow doesn't ... he chooses to fight back. For the first time probably in a very long time, he was being made to do something he didn't want to do. Whereas I have argued long and hard against the "nudge" that CM gave him, which appeared to be far too hard and was far more like a kick (and CM got bitten for his pains, and jolly good thing to), I will not accept that CM is purposely strangling the dog ! Shadow is doing it to himself.

If you put a slip lead round my neck and stand there holding the end, and I choose to run backwards so that it tightens and tightens, the harder I pull backwards, I am strangling myself, I am doing the pulling, you are merely holding the end of the lead.

Agreed, Cesar's nudge looked suspiciously like a kick. You do not kick any dog, but if you kick a wolf cross that is unsocialised and has been allowed to get away with unbalanced and unruly behaviour, you will end up possibly being bitten like Cesar. He mishandled the situation, I do not disagree, but to say that he strangled the dog until it turned was totally ridiculous and a complete exaggeration!! Dogs do not turn blue !!

again gnasher, you are looking from a human point of view. we have the knowledge and understanding to realise that. dogs don't. i'm not saying that cm is purposely strangling the dog, but he is fighting it using a lead which is tight around the animals neck. that much is obvious.

it really is total domination and that i can't and won't agree with.

so you do agree that cm's methods are not fool proof then. it shows real arrogance from the man to have behaved that way and to have used the footage. he does appear slightly shaken at the end of the clip and i wonder if he even thought his need for domination could have caused him serious injury this time.

and lets face it. he kept that lead tight/strangled the dog until it submitted. that is the truth.