Jackbox, you know darn well that I wasn't saying that if you follow CM, you won't get a dog with issues. I was saying that I do understand dogs and the way they work, contrary to what Ramble was suggesting (even though she's now backtracking).

Anyone can get a dog with problems, it's how you deal with the problems that counts.

As for me owning a large aggressive dog, I would only get a large dog from a puppy (if ever I get one which is unlikely because of the Chis) and with guidance from CM's ways of working with dogs, I doubt very much that I would have an aggressive dog

You haven't suffered a tirade of abuse, so stop trying to drum up support and make yourself a victim, it's sad that you do that

So why are you replying. Doh !!!:
If you need to use CM's"methods"on your dogs that you have bred or had from puppies, it shows that you don't know how to raise dogs. I can just see you Alpha rolling them, running them behind a bike or roller blades to ensure they get enough exercise etc etc

I could understand someone trying them if they had a problem dog, but if you are so experienced & knowledgeable about dogs why do you need to look to others for methods ???

That was the thinking that the man with the Malamute had when he Alpha Rolled his dog & got badly bitten, it was after this that CM's programs had the "health"warnings added

I will respond to any comments about CM and his methods on here now CC but not to your personal ones. I will not respond to anymore of your personal jibes...only to comments relevant to the thread.

Agree and disagree. I think you need good years of theoretical (ie study, seminars, exams maybe), AND practical experience actually working with dogs, to claim to be a dog professional...ie, behaviorist/trainer.
The average pet dog owner doesnt have that understanding unless they get serious about dogs.
*One* expression of this would be spending time on dog forums.
The best analogy is most people that own cars have lots of epxerience of owning - and driving cars - but that's it.
They dont know what makes them tick under the bonnet, unless they qualify as mechanics or become very serious hobbyist, ie spend time on car forums, buy lots car mags, attend many workshops, study manuals, etc, etc.
Its not a criticism or a negative - just the way it is, whatever the topic/interest/hobby.

Hello JanieM, licking lips is a calming signal, whereas panting and wide eyes arent, these are outright stress signs.
Calming signals aren't stress signs per se, they are stress and tension avoidance/defusion signs.
The best analogy to describe a calming signal is when you are in a pub and you accidentally look at a stranger.
You then worry that they might perceive that you are going to be a threat, so you do lots of turning of the head and averting your gaze, making a deliberate point of avoiding any further eye contact.
It iss to calm down/defuse a threatening situation you perceive that *may* be imminent.

Try to grow up, your posts are so inflammatory. Try to find something else in your life to use your time up. Trying to get me into an argument is plain silly, as you already know what I think of you

I won't be drawn into discussion about CM with you because you are just a bored woman looking for an argument and I'm not playing today. Have a family and a life, so I'm off

Hope this link works...just to add to what KW has said.
http://www.canis.no/rugaas/onearticle.php?artid=1

Another call from the victim, please

Interesting, thanks for explaining, think I understand better now.

So if a dog yawns or licks lips what should our reaction/response be to this? I read somewhere that you should mimic that signal?