I have gone on this site quite often, and searched under goldendoodle and labradoodle.
The numbers seem very small to me for these two popular crosses, based on the entire country.

There certainly are not groups of them in one place...unless there would be a raid on a terrible breeder.

There is also the unknown issue of which of these dogs are actually from a breeder...what type of breeder, etc.

On petfinder, there are lots of purebred dogs of the popular breeds, as well.
For example: poodles, labs, goldens (forget about pitbulls).
The advocates of those breeds would say the same thing as me:
1) Most don't even look like real poodles, labs etc.
2) They certainly don't look like they are from any breeder...even a bad one.


Any goldendoodle which was bought from a good breeder would not even have to end up in rescue...they would get grabbed up immediately on a goldendoodle chat site (unless they were of poor health.)

I AM OFFICIALLY DONE WITH THIS ISSUE.

My tone has gotten testy and unfriendly...and there really is not much more to be said that has not already been said.

The vast majorrity of doodle breeders do not fall within the reputable breeder bracket both here and in the states.

You cannot delcare the 'truth' based on just your dog!


You cannot be an expert in first generation cross, the results are far to random. You can only be an expert on your own dog!

In correct, I help out at the Labradoodle Trust and therefore have greater experience of a range of doodles. I can also vouch for the shedding as I have to groom them all and there are currently only two here that do not shed but they have a large poodle % in their breeding, which is the only way to fix that particular trait!

Agree there are a few ones out there who are testing, however, they still do not want to create a breed and you therefore have to question what is the point of producing them if it isn't simply as puppies for sale? Also doodle breeders need to accept responsibility for making cross breeding 'acceptable' resulting in many people crossing whatever they have together to make a 'breed'!

As I have said before I help out at the Labradoodle Trust. At any one time they have between 20-30 dogs in rescue, that is every day, they take in as many as they can and try not to turn any down, in fact I am not aware of any being turned away as they will find space some where. These dogs are spread out over the country as they do not usually use kennels but a home fostering system, although there is a small block of kennels where I am staying at the moment, which are full!
There will also be a degree of abandonment which will be collected as strays and will just be classed as a cross breed, plus many of the general rescues will also have them down as lab or poodle crosses and therefore it will never be truely known how many are in rescue at any one point.
Few doodle breeders will take back dogs they have bred and the larger ones will get rid of their breeding stock (creating a heavier rescue burden) once they are of no more use to them i.e. they cannot breed from them any more.
There are not a 'multitude' of doodle breeders who test just a core few. This is borne out by the adverts both here and in the states where health testing is never mentioned!

Statistics from the Labradoodle Trust are now posted as above!

If they are truely a good breeder then they would take the dog back themselves not allow them to be flogged off in a chat room. What a sad statement that no-one will consider one of poor health though.
Becky

I believe the good breeders within the "type" are trying to create good tempered, healthy, low shed family dogs first and foremost.
I don't see a problem with that. I don't think they have to try and create a new "breed" exactly. They're creating a type. Nothing wrong with that.
I say this after having the worst experience with a doodle I could have imagined so I do see both sides of the agrument.

They may be lots in rescue, I don't know. There are lots of every dog in rescue. How about the people breeding labs, both good and bad, stop breeding until there are none of them in rescue? Or GSD, or staffies or any other breed.

There are bad breeders in every breed right? And even some of the "good" breeders of KC registered show type dogs are pretty terrible. I mean, look at bulldogs or bassets, hardly heathly looking creatures.
Why pick only on doodles? Again, the good, ethical breeders should be encouraged.

Anyway, I'm a bit cr*p at getting my point across in writing, so apologies.

I'd also like to add that I hate the idea of people sticking 2 dogs together and calling it a stupid name to make money. I hate that a much as I hate any "breeder" churning out dogs for profit.

Ah but if they are creating a 'type' then they are on the way to creating a breed! People prefer the shaggy, slightly curly coated pups and these are the ones that sell the best so in essence, what sells will be what people breed so a breed will probably come out of it but it is not currently the aim.
Yes pure breeds have overpopulation issues and in the main the breeds that are over produced are the ones that produce large litter son relatively poor diets and in poor conditions such as Labs, gsd's, westies, staffies etc and these are the ones that puppy farmers churn out which we all know from experience that stopping them is a hugely difficult task. One reason I never take the most popular breeds list seriously, the are popular because when joe public goes to a puppy supermarket that is all they have on show for reasons stated above.
As for bulldogs and bassets being unhealthy looking I think that can be applied to any dog that is poorly bred, if you don't select for health, temperament and type then you end up with problems. It's when people concentrate on one aspect (and this includes doodle breeders) that problems arise.
In Labradoodles they have temperament issues, Addisons, Hip Dysplasia, eye problems, SA etc etc simply because people put anything to anything in the beginning without thought!
Becky

But what is a Breed except a dog that conforms to a set 'type!'...in looks or temperment.

Look at the difference in Border collie looks....some have long legs,some short, some long coats, some short....and don't get me started on Colour....but they are all Border Collies... and recognisable as such.

I think we're actually all singing (for the most part) from the same hymn sheet, just maybe on different verses.

I asked the question before which I think only one person answered (and it wasn't intended to be an argumentative question):
Do you think only pure bred dogs should be bred?

Because that's the kind of impression I get which may be competely off the mark.

Okay, so maybe the doodle can become like the collie then. At least that way there can still be good diversity in the "type" without getting knickers in a knot about exact looks and conformation.

There are some who believe only pure bred dogs should be bred. I agree partly with this sentiment, however, I am not against people creating a new breed if they so wish as long as it is done correctly. However, I am against the indiscriminate breeding of crosses for the sake of producing a cross, it's pointless, too unpredictable in the outcome and is done, in the main, for financial gain!
Becky

Yet , with all your 15 yrs of research, and looking and knowing there are ethical breeders of Doodles.... you went ahead and bought one from a breder who is not ethical, as she does not health test her dogs.

So you will have to forgive us, for the misunderstanding as to why you did this..when you profess to know so many knowledgeable ethical breeders

Why has your tone become unfriendly, it is possible to debate a subject from both sides without getting testy and unfriendly.

Maybe its because you cant justify buying from a breeder who does not health test her dogs.