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Originally Posted by Jackbox
I am a little unclear , as to how you got the info that no tests are needed..
My own breed on the list says no health tests, but I can tell you they do need to be heart scored... and you will get that information from the breed club.
If you read paragraph (f) it tells you to look to bred clubs for relevant tests for individual breeds.
As I have already explained...
Originally Posted by Scarter
As I explained in my initial post, at that time I believed that if the KC said there were no health issues and no need for health screening that they could be believed.
Here is a link to the KC's new Accredited Breeders Scheme leaflet. You'll see that it lists the tests required AND those not required but simply recommended for various breeds. There are no tests required for Beagles. There aren't even any tests recommended for Beagles.
http://www.thekennelclub.org.uk/down...healthreqs.pdf
I didn't look to the breed club specifically for details of health issues (I *thought* I'd already cleared that with the KC). But I did approach them for a recommendation of a good breeder. One would hope that a reputable breed club wouldn't recommend a breeder that doesn't follow good breeding practices to ensure the health of their pups.
As far as I am aware the breed club maintain that the Beagle is a healthy breed (at least, that's what they tell me when I've asked) and they do not recommend any health tests for the breed.
Originally Posted by Jackbox
Originally Posted by scarter
And if show/work type breeders fail to agree on what needs to be tested aand then enforce it then there is tremendous potential for a new group to form. Pedigree pet dog breeders. A group governed by a body that is not afraid to insist upon health tests that are unpopular with the breed clubs and breeders, and that is not afraid to boot out anyone that doesn't follow the rules to the letter.
Not sure I understand this...
I'll try and make it clearer using my particular breed of dog as an example.
I have explained that the KC, the Beagle breed club and beagle breeders have all assured me that there are no required OR recommended health tests for the Beagle breed. When we took our first pup to the vets for a checkup the vet mentioned that the Beagle is one of the few breeds that they don't see problems with.
Some people in this discussion seem to think otherwise and believe that Beagles should be screened.
There are two possibilities.
1. The KC, breed club, breeders and my vet are correct and there is no need for health screening in the Beagle breed
OR
2. It's a big cover up on the part of the KC, breed club, breeders and even my vet and you guys are right. Beagle SHOULD be health screened.
**IF** the latter is true, then the KC is failing to do it's job and the breed clubs and breeders clearly can't be trusted to do the right thing of their own accord. In which case if the BBC, Dogs Trust, Pedigree Chum and all the others pulling out of Crufts out of protest raise public awareness of the problem the truth is likely to come out. People will start to come forward and say "well my dog has X problem or Y problem". The day will come when the KC, breed club and breeders simply can't get away with lying about the health of the breed.
And when that day comes people will readily embrace a new governing body. One that is not afraid to insist upon health tests that are unpopular with breed clubs and breeders. One that is not afraid to boot out anyone that doesn't follow the rules to the letter.
I hope that's clearer!
Originally Posted by Jackbox
It would be interesting as if you could answer the question put to you by a couple of members.. about your breeder health screening their breeding stock.
As although you are anti the KC and registered breeders... you are promoting health screening of dogs...
So did you buy from a breeder who screened their dogs?????
I bought from a breeder who performed all recommended screening of her breeding stock (who happened to be the chairperson of the breed club).
There are no health tests required or recommended for Beagles by either the kennel club or the Beagle breed club.
As I have made clear, IF it is the case that the breed clubs, breeders and KC are putting the beagle breed at risk by failing to recommend health screening then it is a problem that needs to be corrected urgently. If the KC fail to take action then the general public will do as borderdawn suggested and start refusing to buy KC registered dogs. This would leave an opening for a new governing body that would refuse to recognise any breed that was not healthy or any breeder that did not have a proven track record of producing healthy pups.
Originally Posted by Borderdawn
Surely that typifies you! You are slagging off the KC yet you have bought 2 kc registered dogs!!
Point being why approach the KC for a registered pup if you couldnt give a monkeys about it?
As I explained earlier...
Originally Posted by scarter
We only bought our second pup a few weeks ago - AFTER the BBC documentary aired, and AFTER lots of large groups started to pull out of Crufts. At the time of buying him I know that KC registration meant nothing of value to me. I knew that there were plenty of KC registered dogs suffering from serious health problems brought about by poor breeding practices. I chose my second pup based upon my own research. The fact that he is KC registered was simply not relevant to me.
But I think your point is valid. If the KC refuse to take action against the 'bad' breeders and if groups like the BBC, Dogs Trust, Pedigree Chum etc continue to dissassociate themselves with crufts then public awareness will be raised to the point where the general public do start to penalise excellent breeders simply on the grounds of their association with the KC.
At this point in time KC regsitration means nothing. If things continue the way they are I will probably start to see it as a negative thing. I could well begin to boycott KC regsitered breeders. Certainly if a new group was formed that would refuse to recognise any breed that was not healthy or any breeder that did not have a proven track record of producing healthy pups then I would favour breeders that belonged to that group over KC registered breeders.