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Baxter8
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25-07-2013, 06:23 PM
It is difficult but not impossible to give this boy some individual attention. I get that you don't want to walk him in the hot weather but with lots of training and games then he can be stimulated and exhausted by not leaving his own home.

To be honest I don't think you're doing enough for this boy's physical, social and mental health and someone may well pay in the long run by being bitten or just overwhelmed by his behaviour. He is a puppy - he can learn most things quite quickly. It doesn't matter how he came into your ownership and for that matter how long he will be with you, right now he's your responsibility.

A clicker is a really cheap piece of equipment and comes with a leaflet on how to use it. I think if you can get him to perform some tasks you will feel motivated and inspired to work with him more.

I know you've posted before about how he is with your other older dogs but he's trying to make friends.

Originally Posted by mom24dogs View Post
My neighbors don't speak English to well but maybe I can see what I can do. As for the other dogs, we have a chain link fence so he can see and smell the other dogs, they can even touch noses through the spaces and paws under the fence. I am not a real social person and I don't talk much with my neighbors. I do smile and say Hi when I see them, but that's about it.

He doesn't have any real training or exercise he does. He runs around the back yard playing with his toys. Sometimes I go out there and chase him around and throw his toys for him. It's hard to give him a lot of one on one attention because I have 3 other dogs that if you give one dog attention they all come over and want attention. The other 3 dogs do not want to play with him. One dog is old and just wants to be left alone. The other 2 are small and he gets too rough with them so they don't like playing with him either. I wish he did have a playmate he could play with to let out some energy. Maybe later down the road we will get another dog his size to play with, but it isn't happening now.

Also, I don't have a lot of money, I don't know how much money I really want to put into him with hiring a trainer because I don't know how long he will be with us. He was originally my nephews dog but he got too big and their landlord said he had to go. So I volunteered to take him. They said they were going to look for a new place that would take him. But so far they really haven't been looking at all. That was back in April. So I don't know what to do about that.

Here are a few photos of 3 of my dogs. Marley, Madde, Pepper.
http://s103.photobucket.com/user/mom...Madde%20Pepper
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Lacey10
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25-07-2013, 06:30 PM
Originally Posted by mom24dogs View Post
I want to take him for walks so we can both get exercise, but it's the middle of summer and it's so hot I think I might pass out, and the ground is so hot he would burn his feet. I would take him to a dog park or to a supervised dog daycare to socialize and playing but I am not sure he would act right, especially with the people. I don't want to get a call saying he bit someone.

I don't know what to do. I have not had a dog act like this before.

They way you said grab made it seem worse. I just took hold of his collar to lead him inside, but he did not want to go inside and he let me know. So if I want him to come in and he does not want to come in, I just get the leash and clip it to his collar and lead him in that way.
You just said grabbed, Thankyou for explaining,understand it wasn't the way I first imagined.really think you need to find a way around the no exercise.As long as your dog is kept in the garden with no walking time he will continue to misbehave.The nipping could possibly escalate into worse and tbh none of it is the dogs fault.If the ground will burn his feet,put something on them.You won't pass out if you drink lots of water.Evenings must be cooler when the sun goes down.Been taking mine out at night here because of the heat.Maybe I'm wrong and there is something else going on with your dog.Someone else may have far better advice for you.I wish you well.
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26-07-2013, 11:59 AM
Appreciate that you took this dog off family who could no longer keep him in their rented place but my view is that if you cannot meet all of his needs he may be better of if you find him another home.

All youngsters need appropriate exercise, stimulation and socialisation and it does not sound as though he is getting this. Although you do not socialise much yourself it is important for your dog's wellbeing and to find the time to train him. His current home-based situation will not help overcome his fear based behaviour, which could ultimately lead to him biting someone rather than nipping and with such a big powerful dog this could be a tragedy. I am not a mother but I note from your profile that you have a son but do not know his age. Please be careful with this dog around your own family and friends and not just with others and make sure he cannot escape from your property.
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26-07-2013, 02:06 PM
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My half Old English Sheep Dog half Pitbull/beagle mix dog, Marley, is 8 months old, over 50 pounds, and he is neutered.

Marley barks excessively at my neighbors. It's so bad that if my neighbors are outside I cannot let him outside. He runs up and down the fence barking and barking like crazy. He wont listen to anything I say, he is in his own zone. I try to take him outside on a leash so I can control him and all he does is pull as hard as he can to get to the fence and he still barks. He will take off and yank me and almost pull me over to the ground. He will also spin round and round while he is on the leash. I am guessing letting out some anxiety energy by doing that?

Then on the other side of my house, my neighbors have 2 dogs around his size. He likes to bark at them like crazy too. But this bark is more high pitched like he is excited and wants to play with them soooooo bad. They will run up and down the fence together.

His barking is super annoying and I am sure it drives my neighbors crazy. I know it drives me crazy. I have tried working with him, putting him on the leash and making him sit and be quiet, but it doesn't last long. It's like he will never learn.
What do you mean by 'tried working with him?'

The best way is for him not to see your neighbours, it won't cure the barking but will cut it down which will make it easier to train him.

I don't know if barking at the people is fear based or what. He is afraid of new people. When I took him to the vet for the first time he tried to bite them and they had barely touched him. We had to put a muzzle on him and he still tried to bite. He also acted like that when I took him in to get neutered. When my husbands friend came over to our house Marley barked at him a little when he first came in, then he kept trying to check him out. But the way he was doing it you could tell he was scared and weary. He was going in really slow to sniff. He was going up to sniff the guys face. And I could tell Marley was uneasy and I was afraid he might try to bite him.
How much socialising have you done with him?

One of my dogs is frightened of people, I keep her away from them until she has quietened down then will let her in, if she shows any sign of being nervous I take her out again.

Marley has tried to bite at me a few times. He was outside and I wanted him to come inside but he didn't want to, so when I tried to grab him he tried to nip at me. Another time he was laying in his cage and he had his paws hanging over the doorway. I went to put his feet inside so I could close the door and he growled at me. Another time he was laying and sleeping on my legs and one was starting to hurt so I went to pull my leg out and he growled at me. Even before I had him, when he was like 4 months old and lived with my nephew, I took him outside to potty and when I wanted to go back inside he didn't want to so I went to pick him up and take him in and he growled and nipped at me.
When we go to get hold of a dog's collar to a dog it can be an aggressive act, dogs go for the neck when attacking so Marley was just defending himself from you as you have threatened him.

Did you let him know you were going to move his feet or your leg? When dogs are asleep and this type of thing happens you could be attacking him, not his fault he bit. What is your reaction if someone suddenly wakes you up? I bite and bite hard if that happens to me.

Why are you picking your dog up? He has 4 legs you have 2. We have to teach our dogs to let us pick them up, it is quite scary to suddenly be in the air with their legs dangling.

He gets scared when I get mad and yell and wont listen to me. Like I yelled at him to get in his cage because he nipped at one of my other dogs and he just gave me his scared look and wouldn't go anywhere. Another time I got mad and yelled at him to go outside, he wouldn't go. Then I used my happy voice to tell him to go outside and he went. So he does not like it when I get mad.
Marley is a dog, he doesn't understand English only dog, when you are yelling at him it is IMPOSSIBLE to understand what you are saying.

You said he nipped one of your other dogs but what were they doing when he nipped him/her? Think back to when you were a child, a child does something to you and you react, the adult only saw you react so punished you, dogs do this as well, your other dog may have set Marley up, I get that quite a lot with mine.


Other than that he is a pretty good dog. He loves to snuggle. He loves to play with his rope, tossing it around and playing tug. He likes chasing balls too. He knows sit, on command, and shake. He goes in his cage when he is told.

What can I do with him to get through to him. I have thought about a no bark collar but I really don't want to do that. I don't know what to do. Any advice?

Sorry to ramble on so long. I hope people read this.
Stop yelling at him, all it does is makes you more angry and puts a lot of stress on you all. Use your happy voice when you ask him to do something.,

Teach him a good recall so you can call him in from the garden, in the meantime you can have a lead on him when outside, let him drag it, if he barks you can pick the lead up and lead him into the house, much safer.

DO NOT USE A NO BARK COLLAR A lot of dogs learn how to get round them, you have other dogs and they can set them off when they bark and often it can make a dog worse and even turn them aggressive.
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