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08-05-2011, 10:21 PM
Originally Posted by Gnasher 
Muslims will only eat halal meat - so presumably they do not mind the fact that the animals have died a slow painful death.
I am not naive enough not to realise that I have probably eaten kilos of meat that was bled before being stunned. I know exactly what happens in an abbatoir, and I would be very happy to pay more for my meat so that animals did not have to suffer. But I will not purposely buy halal meat, in fact just the opposite.
Do you think they are NEVER actually conscious when killed?
Have you ever been PRESENT when this happens?
I have, and I can assure you that many animals are NOT stunned sufficiently. Most are, but not all.
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08-05-2011, 10:29 PM
Originally Posted by Moobli
It was brought to my attention that anyone can buy a pony at a horse sale and take it home, slit its throat and sell it as Halal meat
Well anyone that is a muslim of course.Apparently it is perfectly legal so long as you are pointing it east and saying a prayer over it to allah
It is happening in this country right now. (Saves slaughterhouse costs) 
Cattle, sheep and goats have to have a holding number to buy them so there is some tracability but with ponies they do not.
I was quite shocked.
Originally Posted by smokeybear
Actually the do NOT die a slow, painful death. I have been present at many HALAL slaughters and nothing could be further from the truth! Do you think that animals slaughtered in abbattoirs have a pain free death?
Do you think they are NEVER actually conscious when killed?
Have you ever been PRESENT when this happens?
I have, and I can assure you that many animals are NOT stunned sufficiently. Most are, but not all.
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08-05-2011, 10:32 PM
Originally Posted by Azz
As far as I know Muslims don't eat horse/pony meat so I would guess this is just one of those stories and wouldn't pay much attention to it, tbh.
I've seen sheep get slaughtered (by slit throat) and hung up on a line - it wasn't quick. The sheep were there for ages struggling, blood pouring. Looked like a slow, painful (and inhumane) death to me.
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08-05-2011, 10:36 PM
Originally Posted by Velvetboxers
Thanks Azz you put it very aptly.
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08-05-2011, 10:37 PM
As I say, I have not seen any animals struggling when killed correctly and I have seen hundreds, over 15 years. Just lucky I guess!
And if you bother to google etc I am sure you will find a ruling on it!
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08-05-2011, 10:40 PM
Originally Posted by smokeybear
I suggest you go to the Middle East and see what is on sale in the market, including horse, camel, goat etc.
As I say, I have not seen any animals struggling when killed correctly and I have seen hundreds, over 15 years. Just lucky I guess!
And if you bother to google etc I am sure you will find a ruling on it!
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08-05-2011, 10:43 PM
Also, one day I may need to do this myself, who knows, and knowing how to do it, if necessary, means I can minimise the suffering of an animal.
I am prepared to kill an animal to eat it; unlike the hypocrites who say they do not like it, but are happy to buy an anonymous bit of meat on a plastic tray at the supermarket that has been killed by others!
I also learned how to shoot, skin a rabbit and pluck and prepare game (in the UK).
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08-05-2011, 10:48 PM
Originally Posted by smokeybear
Because watching, listening is part of learning; I prefer to gain my knowledge first hand if possible rather than listening to hearsay via people who just regurgitate hearsay, gossip and rumour!
Also, one day I may need to do this myself, who knows, and knowing how to do it, if necessary, means I can minimise the suffering of an animal.
I am prepared to kill an animal to eat it; unlike the hypocrites who say they do not like it, but are happy to buy an anonymous bit of meat on a plastic tray at the supermarket that has been killed by others!
I also learned how to shoot, skin a rabbit and pluck and
prepare game (in the UK).
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08-05-2011, 10:49 PM
Originally Posted by Velvetboxers
Wht would you want to watch such things...........
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08-05-2011, 10:50 PM
Originally Posted by Velvetboxers
Lots of folk can do those things. Why bother when you can fill your life with vegetables, grains, nuts & pulses which are most likely a lot better for you
Because a) I like meat
and b) nuts and pulses make you fart a lot! 
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