thats not what im saying Dawn ... but hey humans are allowed to

Of course we are. Thats why we work, pay taxes etc.... we can and do. We do not have to tolerate the effects of animals on our lives, we control them in order for them to live in manageable numbers. They dont have the options we do Layla, they are animals. Sorry, cant be doing with the "humans think they rules the world" thing, we do.

and we will destroy it too...nearly there!

Well, that remains to be seen, I agree we haven't done some things to our best ability.

*Shrugs* foxes are predators, they hunt, if given the option they'll killwhat's easiest, the old, the young, the sick and the injured. A 19 year old cat is certainly going to fit at least 1 of those catagorries, if the owners let the cat out, and it falls to predation, then that's the way it goes.

Likewise, humans are predators, and anyone who thinks millions of years of evolution, is going to be removed from an entire species because some of us have been playing 'civilized' for a few centuries at most, are sadly mistaken.

Ref the child being in the photo with the dead animal/s

I'd be more bothered if the child didn't want to be there, and was forced to. Believe it or not, some kids find dead stuff interesting...My lord, the most interesting thing on 1 particular school trip when I was about 9, was the skull of a fox that had been collected. The first question I asked was, where's the body?...they shouldn't have told me, as all I wanted to do after that was go for a look.

Ref hunting for sport.

We're also not the only species to kill for sport, we just don't judge other species so harshly for it.

Imo, its a reminder of what we are, and that is something we should seek to understand, not hide from.

Spot on.

Some kids do find it intresting, I love nothing more than sitting in on an autopsy, studying the body and the like - but thats so different this animal was killed for 'no - vaild' reason then hung for a picture - I find it odd that 'anyone' would pose next to a dead animal for a picture like its a trophey - ohh sorry it is, being the biggest fox and all


Ohh and foxes themselves kill for 'sport' their judged all the time for it - killed to

If we never stopped eating cabbages and potatoes etc, we'd not be having this discussion, never mind domesticating species. We'd still be running round in the wild, being the food of lions, leopards, wild dogs etc.

Without meaning offence to anyone, those who say meat isn't important to our diot, clearly don't know how pivetal it appears to have been to our evolution.

And suppose they went out and killed the biggest cat they could find because it killed their pigeons (all in the name of controlling the cat population of course ) would they be excused. Oh and of course they would have to pose next to it.


Equally wild life falls prey to pets!

An illegal way of life!

Hardly a good means of controlling the population then is it?

Not sure that evolution has anything to do with a rather large fox and Im sure Jurassic park hasnt.


I thought it was rather weird contrasting fox hunting for so called 'control' purposes and a wild animal hunting for food.

Well maybe they do - they are all ganging up on us poor ickle humans you now.

Exacctly

Oh but they are because otherwise the foxes will take over the world!!!

My point wasn't wether ornot the photo set up was odd, it was about if the child was happy doing it. As others seem to be saying it was wrong if a child was comfortable with that, which imo it isn't, its just different...you couldn't pay my mother to be in any photo, with anything dead, and I don't think she would've been any different as a child. But me both then and now, wouldn't be phased at all.

Foxes are judged most by those with something to lose, same with wolves in America, lions in Africa, tigers in Asia and just to finish off the A theme, dingos in Australia. The difference is,foxes are not endangered species here, so some being shot for killing chickens, is hardly going to have a detrimental effect on the species as a whole.

It still appears to be worse when we do it, esp to the no creature must die at the hand of man groups.

Those groups accept it as normal behaviour when displayed by foxes, cats, orkas etc, but move the goal posts when its their own species.

The fact of the matter is, we screwd up. We removed the apex predators from this island, and unless we bring them back, we've got to work out how best to do their job. That unfortunately means killing things, a task for which we are over qualified.