Don't want to go into too much detail and I probably quoted more than I thought I did TBH - my dad's been saying it for years - what public services' like schools and the police need is more discipline. Police should be allowed to use force when they see forces is needed and schools IMO need more discipline. And parents* - jeez if I was brought up in this day and age - I'd get away with murder. (*some) I don't mean full blown canes and smacking - but more than words, there needs to be something - kids don't listen to "don't do that - consequences" anymore, maybe being shown the consequences of their actions...

Hmmm - I like it, but I think it has some flaws..

I agree - I'm the same age as most of the rioters and I can't believe it - I also can't believe the bloomin' child psychologists either "They're angry...blah blah blah" after 2 days it's not anger it's an excuse. And the government should've allowed the Police to use the force that was so obviously needed.

I do and don't agree - my OH was strong and loved the idea of going into the Army, he'd always wanted to go into the Marines (but due to finances and recruitment the timing wasn't right) after 5 weeks he was ready to come home - I don't think the kids could handle it these days.


My OH doesn't get free board, food or anything - he has to pay for everything out of his wages.. or are you thinking up an idea - I don't really understand your post..

Every time you have been critical you have taken something out of context to which I have completely destroyed your argument. There is no need to get personal but if that is how you want to debate, then I say to you that you probably work for Haliburton which means you are a merchant of death. Probably why you are so angry the whole time!
The Government by and large gets their money from taxation, corporate and personal. The Tories have always been sympathetic to corporations but Labour traditionally were not. But under new labour Gordon Brown fell in love with the City - majority of which is corporations and is a quarter of the UK's GDP, and a deal was done that he would not regulate and the government would have the hefty tax receipts in return. That policy came home to roost in '08 when the lack of regulation saw the banks implode, exactly like most gamblers do. Forgetting about corporation tax from the likes of BP, the Arms industry, the Pharmaceutical industry etc, the majority of high income tax payers work for corporations.
No thankfully I do not. I am not talking about below the minimum wage. I am talking about getting a skilled imigrant who will do a role for less than someone from the UK. I am not saying that is necessarily wrong, I am saying that business prefers that to training someone locally. The local population do not benefit so again, government policy benefits business instead of the people.
How do you think say a mining company gets the contract in a country with a dictator in charge? They make a deal where the dictator and fellow elite will do very well and the company will get the resource for very cheap. The people see none of the money. Let's not forget that the UK & US at one point were allies with Polpot, Bin Laden, Saddam and Gadaffi.

That I think was my comment SB about them being able to live cheaper than people like my son because they live in communities never did I say that was wrong. Or that they shold not be able to send the money home. I was pointing out that people like my son cannot compete with the lower wages or prices they can quote because the cost of livng for us is so high. If you take offence so be it but I do know first hand that my son has been priced out of the market.

There was nothing bigoted about my remark it is fact. I have no issues with any member of another nationality working here if they are legal to do so. I was merely pointing out that when some people say our own people won't work for the lower wages this in some cases is the reason why. My eldest son being one of them.

Your O/H is in the actual ARMY, whereas I'm referring to the new bootcamp/national service idea we've dreamed up for the hooligans, and bearing in mind MOST of them will be receiving handouts, they would all stop, to pay for their board and lodgings (in an ideal world of course!).

In your opinion I might add.

You still have not given your views on how to mend this country, all you can do is accuse others of bigotry and ignorance!

And as you have included my statement in your attack, I assume you disagree with the statistics of this culture of young girls getting pregnant at 15/16 and seeing it as a way of life, another baby a bigger house more money.

I wonder why we have the dubious label of having the highest rate of "young mums" in Europe.

America did it, the cut the birth rate of young single mothers down dramatically, so it could work here to.

I know, I know, you are going to throw the bigot at me again not to worry, but maybe you aught to take your head out of all your legalisation it seems to be buried in and do as the rest of us, take a look around at how it really is.


P.S......going to put my tin hat on and duck for cover!!!

Really?, even if you don't live there full time?

I understand now - sorry, early mornings confuse me..

What has that got to do with the price of fish?

People can spend their money how they wish, our amenities are available to all (or do you think we should discriminate and if so how) and those are PAID for by EVERYONE through taxes including Council Tax!

As for putting nothing back, hmmm, do they not have to pay the same bills as the rest of us what EXACTLY do they NOT pay for or put back into the local economy?

Do they not have to eat, pay for fuel, utilities, clothes etc etc?????????????????

Yes, I have dual nationality and so does my daughter.
Can't see them enforcing it though and thankfully I am too old now.......