which begs the question why is the episode still being shown? seems to me that cm fans will not accept the truth even when it is as blatant as that.

I think it is just as likely that the owners did not follow through with his advice as many dont, especially as they were happy to give it away. This is what i find with the majority of rescue dogs i come across.
Who knows doesnt mean the episode should not be shown in my opinion.

I shall def have a read

I dont beleive you can have read a word i have said.
I use calmness in all my life, nothing to do with ceaser Milan, all to do with the life i want to lead and it does not make you some type of hippy, although id quite happily be!

Lilypup, I remember that episode well - we have chatted about it on here
basically as I rem JohnBee was found as a stray in a bad condition the vet thought he had been tied in a yard by a choke chain - so he already has bad experiences with things round its neck
The man says the dog is perfect and will let him do anything with it except it wont let him alpha roll it in the house - happy submiting anywhere else just not in the house and so he feels the dog would be dangerous to rehome because of this issue

Outside dog is v nervous of CM , he even sees that but says something along the lines of 'before we see agression we often see fear'

Takes dog inside - to slippy wood floor, dog v uncomfy but lets CM prod him about
The owner says they now need to put the muzzle on, basicaly the owner puts the muzzle on before he tries to roll the dog - so the dog has learnt to expect what is going to happen next and becomes even more unhappy
CM even comments that the dog does not like the muzzle

Then he tries to force to dog onto its back - of course the dog now fights back, CM raises the lead so coller is just below jaw in choking position - of course dog goes more nuts
CM now calmly holds the dog up until it is too tired - and prob not got enough air to fight back. dog is totaly rigid - cm believes he has a victory and the dog is calm submissive

Really I fail to see what CM thought he was teaching the dog - as far as I can see all that happend is the dog had it reinforced that slippy floor + muzzle = bad things about to happen

interested in how that can be interperated any other way

Another example of why Millanism is like a religion. His fans are unable to even consider rational fact based arguments. After all, he can't be wrong - he's on TV, where is YOUR show?. Who would imagine that using violent methods would be detrimental to an already fearful dog and result in aggressive dogs.[sup]1[/sup]




1. Herron et al. Survey of the use and outcome of confrontational and non-confrontational training methods in client-owned dogs showing undesired behaviors. Applied Animal Behaviour Science, 2009; 117


"Look at this vicious dog, he defends himself when I attack him."


And Millan is thinking "So let us confirm and cement that feeling by attacking the dog and forcing him to defend"

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NOT that I agree with alpha rolling obviously, but it's clear that the dog did not like the slippery hard floors. I suspect that had a lot to do with it. So terribly misinformed and sad, it's heartbreaking
But where did the owner get such shocking misinformation from, I wonder?

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it was seriously upsetting and i find it extremely worrying that anyone would see it as 'training'.

i spoke to some people on another dog forum and got just the same response as on here from the 'fans'. it is like some kind of brainwashing! what on earth is this power cesar millan holds???

No of course i dont kick my dogs. I have not seen this episode, so i cant comment on this paticular case.

Of course, that is what is important, that you do what is right for you and your dogs.
I beleive the methods i use are positive and they certainly have had positive outcomes and left well balanced happy dogs.