You don`t know that. You see only what edited footage is shown. Do you think his behaviour off camera is better or worse than when he has an audience?

When I started watching MIllan, I always said he was simply ignorant and not malicious. That has changed.

Initially I assumed that because he had limited education that he was simply ignorant and because of socio-economic legacy he used violence to control the dogs. But he's been doing it for years and in he seem to be aware of his many detractors and their position.

So while he started off as simply ignorant, he is now intentionally malicious. He doesn't care because changing his 'alpha' message would affect his business and profit and he is not willing to do that.

I find your logic flawed and odd.

Why would a limited education equal lack of awareness re the ethics of physical behaviour?
Your post does come over as snobbish and condescending.
It reads like you are saying if you are poor and of limited schooling, you therefore would not have the ability to possess empathy or understand right from wrong.

And i dont get the idea that just because he has hung onto belief in his methods despite all the campaigns and information thrown at him, he is therefore deliberately malicious.
Could it just not be he simply doesnt agree with what these other people say?
And he actually believes what he believes?
I think this says more about your own psychology.
As in you cannot get your head around someone not just doing what cesar milan does, but actually believing in it and believing it is right.
When people tend to struggle with the notion that pomeone could actually beleive in a thing that they find simply beyond their comfort zone/not in their radar/politically incorrect, they then tend to comfort themselves by saying that person must be holding onto such and such belief because they are mad/bad/doing it as a wind up/just doing it for the money/etc/etc.
That is a lot easier to process than the idea the person is an otherwsie reasonable human being whom genuinely believes in what they believe or are doing.

I do find CM's training cruel.
But i believe he believes it

Violence is the most direct and default approach of many people when trying to deal with animals or change their behaviour. Secondly, Millan has also spoken about the difference in the way dogs are treated in Mexico and US. Finally, since he learned his 'craft' in the dog grooming business he had not time to train, rather the had to force compliance by force for 2 reasons; 1) time 2) he didn't know any better way.

If you had read properly, I write that he doesn't care because he is only interested in money. It's the lie people like him have to tell themselves and even they don't really believe it.

You cannot be a reasonable human being if your positions and opinions did not arise from reason and facts. So, in that way, Millan cannot be considered reasonable. In many ways, Millan's defenders sound very much like the asbestos industry talking heads who refused to accept the adverse affects of their product even when confronted by the evidence. Or creationists insisting that science has got it wrong and the world really is 6000 years old. In none of the cases can the position be called reasonable.

It has probably been said before but -

If that is what he is willing to do in public and on screen, what is he willing to do when no-one is watching!!!

I agree. I would not regard those postions as reaosnable, I never posted that CM's position on dog training was reasonable, Ii said he can hold that unreasonable position and still be a reasonable human being whom genuinely beleives what he believes in.

I agree, I have only a high school education & I do not come from a rich family but I do not believe that I'm ignorant & I do take mild offence to that.

Claire>> I don't know if he is really meaner to his dogs off camera but judging what he does on others dogs I don't know why he would restrain himself with his own dogs since its clear he doesn't with his clients. IMO it should be the other way around.

omg look how much pain that dog is in when he was shocked and the thing is, even after the first time, the dog was trying its best to avoid the cat box and he forced the dog to try and get past then shocked it again!and again! (and of course the cat is howling away as it dosnt want to cornered ina box with the dog in its face.....)

but who actually needs anyone to come into the home and tell them anything for that problem? I mean, common sense...

People who would apparently flock to this forum's most recent persona non grata perhaps? There's a market for it.

watch a clip/episode that features Junior, you can see the fear in that poor dog from the minute CM looks at him, so i believe he is just as harsh with his own dogs