Ofcause I can tsay 100% anything.. but the point was Daddy had no need to come into contact with any snakes as they dont live in iner cities... but liek yo usay, lets wait till Promethean or any other Americans come on,...

But as we dont hear of being bitten by a rattler often , one assumes (maybe wrongly) they are not common in cities.

But as in everythign their is always the expection to the rule.

I'm not so bothered about humans ... in fact, I can think of several I would like to use an e-collar on in my family alone !!

But to use an e-collar for all manner of training, as just another tool, is absolutely disgusting and appalling, I quite agree.

Rattlers are common in hot, dry places away from human habitation, I understand. I am thinking of other types of venomous snake in the States, of which there are several, if not many.

I personally would never condemn a dog to a life on a lead. We don't know whether there was a particular place that Daddy was going to be frequenting where rattlesnakes were a threat. All I know from my parents' pit-bull cross and staffies is that they are very tenacious, very nosey dogs, and would very definitely have tackled a rattlesnake, intrigued by the noise and the obvious aggressive stance.

Daddy at 14 or whatever age he was when this episode was recorded is an extremely fit and healthy dog, not an aged old plodder. Maybe it was just luck that he had never been bitten before, maybe it was because he had never been taken into such areas where snakes are prevalent, maybe maybe. None of us know for sure. My point is, Daddy now will steer a wide berth of rattlesnakes and anything that looks like one I should think.

That's going off thread C & D, this thread is about e-collars. I had several of my posts removed from another thread, which I thought was relevant, but was deemed not so, so beware !

Totally agree Dawn, good one. One assumes that Cesar knew exactly how to use the e-collar. I cannot remember what he said about the matter, but I do recall he appeared to be competent in its use and did not over-use it by any manner or means.

I totally agree they should never be freely available to Jo Public.

I haven't watched the clip but from what I can gather the scenario that prompted it was:
Will Smiths wife Jada Pinkett smith lost her dog Rocco after he was attacked by a Rattlesnake on her land. Apparently 150,000 domestic animals are bitten by poisonous snakes in the U.S every year. He walks his dogs on her land and in other parts of Southern California snake country regularly. As an experiment he brought in a rattlesnake in a cage and exposed his pack to it. He was shocked that his dogs were curious instead of cautious like the ones he knew in Mexico would have been. Had the snake been uncaged he would have lost 5 dogs in a couple of minutes.They then decided to hire a prefessional who specialised in conditioning dogs to avoid snakes.
The tool used was the E-collar. Daddy went first and within 10 minutes showed complete aversion to the snakes. So the conditoning took 10 minutes for a life times peace of mind.
His words, not mine. Given similar circumstances I might consider using one.

Well said Moobli, excellent post. I personally would never condemn a dog to a life on a lead. Certainly not such a large, fit active dog as Tai. I would certainly rather have a professional use an e-collar on Tai than I would to subject him to a cruel and miserable life on a lead, or rehome him.

Thanks Trouble. In my opinion, based on this, Daddy et al are very definitely walked in countryside areas where snakes are prevalent. Ipso facto, IMO, the end justifies the means.

So I am a cruel owner who subjectS her dog to a miserable life on a lead ...


Nice to see you have such a black and white view on things