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21-07-2008, 07:38 AM
Originally Posted by Ramble View Post
The thread isn't about Tony Blair.
What did Margaret Thatcher do that benefitted the whople country? I can think of plenty of things she did to damage entire areas and social groups but nothing she actively did that was positive for the whole country.
Colin told you one - the allowing of people to buy their own homes.

The negating of the unions was a good thing wasnt it?- or would a three day week have not made much difference to your polltax demonstrating friends?

she came in amidst a cold war and left with it gone?
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21-07-2008, 07:39 AM
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He played a major role in the Northern Ireland Peace Process, something thatcher never managed. Also I consider bringing the national minimum wage in a good thing, though no doubt people who employ or have employed others dont agree.

ETA He also spent the first few years fixing majors mess. But I do admit he wasnt a great leader.
what messes of major's did he fix?
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21-07-2008, 07:46 AM
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In all seriouslness H I didn't see one thing in that that benefitted the entire country. Not one. I saw things that perhjaps benefitted those in the middle classes that were out to make a fast buck, but I saw nothing at all that benefitted the working classes in the north.
I seriously ask again for something she did that benefitted everyone in the country????
for someone who actually hasnt put forward one policy suggestion as an alternative to any argument - im a little stumped - give me an example of something someone can do for the entire country that works ?
Helens just given you a list of things in her opinion that helped the majority ( thats probably a more rational way of doing it )...
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21-07-2008, 07:50 AM
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She didnt really go anyway, she was pulling majors strings, kind of like a puppet.

That is always a bad sign of any goverment, if your own party dont like and want rid of you things are not that great.
when you say she was pulling majors strings - what things he did are you referring to in particular - expand on that ?
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21-07-2008, 07:59 AM
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No I can H thats the whole point, I can knock her for what she did as she ruined a lot of people's lives.

You were lucky you had a house to mortgage really aren't you H???
Not everyone did or does. It was only an opportunity if you had assets in the first place.

I can knock her for what she did as it was a land of the haves and the have nots...the vast majority of the have nots lioving in the north....perhaps we should have all got on a bike and cycled to London huh?
But thats the whole point - without her allowing all people from all walks of life to buy their own council houses - millions of people still would not have any assets - you cant have it both ways - for a fraction of what an equivalent house would cost people who never would have been able to before - were able to buy assets cheaper than what they were worth and therefore accumulate very valuable and profitable assets - only because of mrs T.
She gave people those assets at a knocked down price - can you not see that? assets they NEVER would have had without her - are you saying those that bought their council housess would have been better off not having the opportunity?

Perhaps you should have got on your bikes and gone to where the money was if you really wantedd to put yourself out and get it that much - most of my bosses are scottish people who did jsut that - London is a cosmopolitan city with people from everywhere doing just that.

Like I say if Poles and Lithuanians can travel over land sea and air to take advatnage of what this country can offer - why should I sympathise for a bunch of people still staring down a hole up north TWENTY FIVE YEARS LATER - wishing their non profit making mines would crank back into life.
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21-07-2008, 08:01 AM
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Similar but I dont think there is as many who dislike Brown that did Thatcher.

I dont like brown, but I also dont like "honest dave" I wouldnt trust him as far as I could chuck him, slimey toad.
To be honest they are all as bad as each other at the minute.
you sure about that Brown and Thatcher statement - I think polls have proven Brown to be one of the most unpopular PM's in history
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21-07-2008, 08:19 AM
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Thanks for your sympathy re my dad, but sadly it isn't an unusual situation in working class people who have worked themselves into the ground all of their lives (starting off in the pits at 14 looking after the ponies). I wouldn't have felt any differently had he lived longer, I still don't agree with the wholesale selling of council houses.
Whilst everyone had the so called chance to buy a council home...not everyone was in the position to be able to, thanks to incredibly high unemployment.

No Colin, I don't think that the miners who were out on strike were being greedy, I think they were fighting for their lives in more ways than one.

The thing is, the only thing in life we can be certain of is death. We can't know when it will happen, but what a shame to waste the important years, the years of hopfully good health, by saving money and working ourselves into the ground for a retirement that could be incredibly short. I know so many people who have dropped dead very soon after retiring. Once they relax their bodies seem to realise just how worn out they are. Live for today because tomorrow you could die.
Money is a necessity but I've found that those with a lot of it tend to be quite unhappy and anxious people...
and a lot of people without it seem very anxious and unhappy as well - ive got bags of it and im very happy indeed - and the thing that makes me happiest of all is not that i could go and buy an aston martin or holiday three times a year or wear a rolex no - its knowing my two kids and my wife will never go hungry - will never go without a roof over their head and never know hardship - my only worry is that they learn to appreciate it and do something worthwhile with that little extra energy and comfort ive afforded them. I wont apologise for it - I pay hundreds of thousands of pounds in tax and ask for very little back for my proportionately larger than average contributions - so i end up bankrolling many of those that want to mope about something that happened to them 25 years ago.
I live for my kids tomorrow and choose to do so as thats my priority in life and i try to keep myself in some form of reasonable health so they have as many memories as possible.

But you summed up what you really are about - as not everyone couldd buy their council houses - no one should be allowed to - and therein lies the difference between capitalism and socialism - the first gives those that want it opportunity and the latter just takes away everyones - but that doesnt work because that just encourages you to do bare minimum and bare minimum doesnt make the world go round.
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21-07-2008, 08:20 AM
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I must say that I really don't have a problem with closing any unprofitible post offices or any other form of business for that matter.

If you look at the what the post office offers nowadays you really don't need one in every town or village. 99% of pensions now get paid in a bank account, you can buy stamps in nearly every or garage shops. Plus if you cut out the waste then the overheads would go down, so the cost of stamps and over services wouldn't go up every six months.

Personally speaking I think that the post office is a monopoly that has gone out of control. Two years ago I use to be able to post a A4 envelope with a first class stamp on it, but since they brought in that stupid rule about envelope sizes and weights it now cost me £1.57 for first class postage, and that depends on it's weight.
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21-07-2008, 02:33 PM
What questions?????? Sorry I missed them...
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21-07-2008, 02:38 PM
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What questions?????? Sorry I missed them...
well asking you what your alternative to mrs t was - what you would have done differently with the country in that state at that time - what you would have done with the unions what you would have done for everyone in this country - who you would have liked to have seen and why

just having bothered to read the whole thread this morning I noticed you seemed to fire a lot of questions and comments towards Helen ( who did actually give her reasons ) without actually adding any substance yourself except to say how rubbish Mrs T was without actually saying what would have been better for the country?
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