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22-06-2007, 10:52 PM
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Nobody hear has mentioned being worried about better dogs or handlers

The discussion (even tho you think there isn't one !) is about people who enter classes they are NOT eligible for and Judges who turn a blind eye, or aren't aware of the rules themselves !

....and we are all entitled to an opinion of how we feel about that
There is a difference between people wanting to enter an ineligible breed or type and people entering a dog which has had Show wins/titles which make them ineligible.
It is the latter under discussion.

The breeds side is a moot point, some dogs are classified eligible for Pedigree classes, some are not.
For example :

My Lurcher is a Sighthound but he is not a recognised breed within the Group therefore he is not eligible in Pedigree classes, end of.
My BCs are eligible in UK [ Pastoral ] but not in Canada as they are not a recognised breed there, end of.
NIs are not a recognised breed in UK and therefore not eligible under KC regulated shows, end of.

Its not what the thread is about in terms of eligibility
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22-06-2007, 10:59 PM
Sorry Patch, I already knew that, I just had a brain fart

I agree about show wins etc. In fact I would go as far to say I don't think dogs with a 1st at Champ level should be eligible either, but that's just my opinion.

I remember a show I once attended (KC Aff Companion show) and the Judge was well known in the showing world, and therefore didn't want to make an **** of herself to regular exhibitors. She went through all the classes, and every placement seemed to be accepted happily (for once) but she knew she would have problems when it came to the last class of "Dog the Judge would like to take home" and it was bound to ruffle feathers, so she left the Judging of the class to her 8 year old Son ! very clever
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22-06-2007, 11:26 PM
Originally Posted by Malady View Post
Sorry Patch, I already knew that, I just had a brain fart
Love that phrase, I want to steal it :smt044

I agree about show wins etc. In fact I would go as far to say I don't think dogs with a 1st at Champ level should be eligible either, but that's just my opinion.
Thank you for the input

I remember a show I once attended (KC Aff Companion show) and the Judge was well known in the showing world, and therefore didn't want to make an **** of herself to regular exhibitors. She went through all the classes, and every placement seemed to be accepted happily (for once) but she knew she would have problems when it came to the last class of "Dog the Judge would like to take home" and it was bound to ruffle feathers, so she left the Judging of the class to her 8 year old Son ! very clever
Now thats smart thinking - a total cop out but very smart :smt043
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22-06-2007, 11:30 PM
Originally Posted by Patch View Post
Love that phrase, I want to steal it :smt044
Feel Free :smt023

Now thats smart thinking - a total cop out but very smart :smt043
My thoughts exactly
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23-06-2007, 10:56 AM
Originally Posted by Malady View Post
Sorry Patch, I already knew that, I just had a brain fart

I agree about show wins etc. In fact I would go as far to say I don't think dogs with a 1st at Champ level should be eligible either, but that's just my opinion.

I remember a show I once attended (KC Aff Companion show) and the Judge was well known in the showing world, and therefore didn't want to make an **** of herself to regular exhibitors. She went through all the classes, and every placement seemed to be accepted happily (for once) but she knew she would have problems when it came to the last class of "Dog the Judge would like to take home" and it was bound to ruffle feathers, so she left the Judging of the class to her 8 year old Son ! very clever
Sorry I cant agree with that in small breeds sometimes your the only one in the class, and also can we remember just because you have a win in your own breed it doesnt mean your going to win in a mixed class.
I wouldnt take a dog with a stud book number even if it wasnt a KC companion show but I would take a dog that has won a class at a champ show. In fact libby hasnt done much winning but she did have a 1st place in Puppy bitch at SKC champ show as she was the only one there, shes 11 months old and I still intend to show her over the summer at companion shows.
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23-06-2007, 11:05 AM
Originally Posted by Malady View Post
Nobody hear has mentioned being worried about better dogs or handlers

The discussion (even tho you think there isn't one !) is about people who enter classes they are NOT eligible for and Judges who turn a blind eye, or aren't aware of the rules themselves !

....and we are all entitled to an opinion of how we feel about that
Sorry I'm being thick thought this post was about people who show their dogs at Champ shows entering companion shows against "pet" dogs.
The original post didnt mention dogs who had JW, DD's etc just that they felt show dogs should be excluded.
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23-06-2007, 02:20 PM
Originally Posted by morganstar View Post
Sorry I'm being thick thought this post was about people who show their dogs at Champ shows entering companion shows against "pet" dogs.
The original post didnt mention dogs who had JW, DD's etc just that they felt show dogs should be excluded.

Just to clarify, the original first post was this one

http://www.dogsey.com/showpost.php?p...43&postcount=8

It moved down due to off-topic posts being moved from a different thread and merged in to this one

My own view [ as the original OP ] just to make clear I did`nt say show dogs should be excluded is this one

http://www.dogsey.com/showpost.php?p...9&postcount=33


A bit of confusion re the discussion element of the thread is understandable with the merging [ which was necessary and suitable of course as those posts were the reason for me starting this thread in the first place ], so I hope this clears it up :smt001

You raised a good point btw, regarding the very small entries in some Formal classes where there may well be only one dog entered [ not unusual at all afaia ], so it would be a shame to prevent them from entering Companion shows for a result under which they had no competition [ thats not a dig at anyone who has had such wins btw, a Judge does`nt have to award the placing, there still has to be good reason to award other than being the only dog in the ring :smt001 ]
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23-06-2007, 04:27 PM
My god patch this is starting to get scary were complimenting each other hehehe
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23-06-2007, 05:10 PM
I've been on both sides of the fence, so to speak. I used to take my working springer to companion dog shows (exemption in them days lol). I remember competing with people who obviously knew what they were doing while I just stood there.

Now, I have a gwp which I show ocasionally, she's been to a few champ shows and got a 1st in puppy bitch at SKC at her first one. I took her to a few companion dog shows last year because it was a nice day out.

Was I happier that I may have got a rosette with my GWP and never with my springer? Not particularly. I go for a nice day out and to meet people. I remember standing in the ring with my gwp last year at a companion show and chatting to the person next to me and explaining what was going on. She had entered just for fun.

Do people get that hung up about competing with people who do show at championship level? I certainly didn't and the people I have met at companion dog shows don't seem to. Surely there is more in live to worry about. As someone else said, they are usually run to make some money and they usually do.

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24-06-2007, 06:41 AM
I have a friend who won BIS at Crufts who regularly goes to companion shows with his puppies. Apparently no-one seems to mind - I say apparently because who knows what's said behind his back LOL. So is it wrong for an experienced dog person to take their puppies out like that to get them socialised and use it as ringcraft? I don't think so - but then I have to admit I can't stand companion shows and haven't been to one for about 20 years now -too many people with no control over their kids for my liking I also never liked the fact that people with poor quality dogs got the 'ump when they got beaten by a better specimen and obviously it HAD to be because the judge was facey. I saw more of that at companion shows than I ever do at Ch shows!

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