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07-01-2011, 08:05 PM

Dog aggressive dogs in training classes?

What's everyone's opinion on this? I just got thinking about it after another thread.

If you're someone who attends a training class, would you be put off if there were dog aggressive dogs in your group?

If you're someone with a dog aggressive dog, do you/would you take your dog to training classes? Are there other dog aggressive dogs in your class? Would you be put off if there were other DA dogs in a group you were attending?

From the perspective of someone who holds training classes or is a behaviourist do you allow dog aggressive dogs in your classes? How many DA dogs would you be willing to have at once?

When I took Molly to do her KC good Cit. there were two DA dogs in the class. One (a lab) noticeably improved which was really nice to see but one (GSD) disrupted the class and got free twice, making a dash for Molly.
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07-01-2011, 08:14 PM
Pfffft a dog getting free and threatening the others is terrible i think, was he muzzled?

My Keisha was dog aggressive, she's been to a few training classes, I just select them carefully. Recently we took her to another new training class, the trainer invited me to it who knew Keisha from agility training. I refused to do the recall offlead which the trainer was persuading me to do just incase.

Keisha was fantastic throughout the classes, I felt a little bit worried that people may look down on us, because I asked people not to let their dogs come in her face - after all it was a training class not a puppy socialisation class..

But the only time we had a little problem was when a stupid man let his unruly black lab puppy off the lead from the pup class before out and it threw itself under Keisha's feet. She didn't do anything, she quite likes puppies, thankfully. The trainer shouted at him .

It was a small class, in a big space, with a fantastic trainer, and this is the reason it went ok I think.
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07-01-2011, 08:25 PM
we had an aggressive dog in our class, he stopped coming for a while ( he wasnt just dog aggressive, he didnt like other people other than our trainer and his owner) i dont know his history but i know the owner didn't have him since he was a pup and i was fine going, however we were doing recall with the dogs and the trainer (who is fantastic) wanted everyone to do one with there eyes closed but i wouldn't do it while he was up on the floor although i didnt make this known to the class that this is the reason i didnt do it, i done the recall with my eyes open so i knew where my ty was going and knew that if i had my eyes closed he would ignore my recall and go to the other dogs ( i didnt want a fight in class for the sake of my dog, the aggressive dog and the other dogs in class)

if the dog is being handled properly and every precaution is being taken to make sure no harm comes to ANY dog or handler in the class including the dog and handler in question then i dont see the problem

if the aggressive dog hadn't been on the floor and had been away in the corner and we done the recall facing the opposite direction from this dog then yes i would have done the recall with my eyes closed but the way it was being done i wasnt doing it
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07-01-2011, 08:27 PM
Originally Posted by akitagirl View Post
Pfffft a dog getting free and threatening the others is terrible i think, was he muzzled?

My Keisha was dog aggressive, she's been to a few training classes, I just select them carefully. Recently we took her to another new training class, the trainer invited me to it who knew Keisha from agility training. I refused to do the recall offlead which the trainer was persuading me to do just incase.

Keisha was fantastic throughout the classes, I felt a little bit worried that people may look down on us, because I asked people not to let their dogs come in her face - after all it was a training class not a puppy socialisation class..

But the only time we had a little problem was when a stupid man let his unruly black lab puppy off the lead from the pup class before out and it threw itself under Keisha's feet. She didn't do anything, she quite likes puppies, thankfully. The trainer shouted at him .

It was a small class, in a big space, with a fantastic trainer, and this is the reason it went ok I think.
Glad to hear everything went well for you and Keisha! Shame about the irresponsible man but at least Keisha likes pups

The other aggressive dog in the class was but dog that got free wasn't muzzled, no I was absolutely fuming about it because the trainer moaned about Molly being reactive but didn't make a fuss about the other dog coming over, hackles raised and growling.
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07-01-2011, 08:28 PM
NO! I don't like it at all! We had a staffie at my last training class(puppy!) and as it walked past us doing some heelwork, it lunged out at my poor dog (puppy!) and it's put her right off staffies for that very reason I'm sure of it! Bladdy thing wasn't even a puppy it should never have been in our class!

Being the owner of a now suspect da dog, I'd think twice about taking her to further our training quite honestly. I've done one to one agility a few times, but we're ready to go on into a mixed class of 3 dogs, but even then I'm going to have to decide what the other dogs are like before I do that.

Even before I started these particular classes, I was watching from the stage, and on the floor in a big class (all puppies) there was this raucous 18 month old gsd who was trying to get at all the other dogs and I thought how glad I was that I wasn't in that class.

I wouldn't want to put anybody else through the trauma of having my dog in a big class, although having said that, when I took her to a very big show last summer, she was nice to all of them as we walked around both onlead and off, so who can tell?! I think it really depends on whether you think your dog is aggressive to ALL other dogs, or maybe just the odd one like mine is, because you could be lucky enough to have all nice dogs in your class and all will be fine? You just don't know though do you
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07-01-2011, 08:30 PM
Originally Posted by lisa01uk87 View Post
we had an aggressive dog in our class, he stopped coming for a while ( he wasnt just dog aggressive, he didnt like other people other than our trainer and his owner) i dont know his history but i know the owner didn't have him since he was a pup and i was fine going, however we were doing recall with the dogs and the trainer (who is fantastic) wanted everyone to do one with there eyes closed but i wouldn't do it while he was up on the floor although i didnt make this known to the class that this is the reason i didnt do it, i done the recall with my eyes open so i knew where my ty was going and knew that if i had my eyes closed he would ignore my recall and go to the other dogs ( i didnt want a fight in class for the sake of my dog, the aggressive dog and the other dogs in class)

if the dog is being handled properly and every precaution is being taken to make sure no harm comes to ANY dog or handler in the class including the dog and handler in question then i dont see the problem

if the aggressive dog hadn't been on the floor and had been away in the corner and we done the recall facing the opposite direction from this dog then yes i would have done the recall with my eyes closed but the way it was being done i wasnt doing it
No, I don't blame you for not wanting to do it with your eyes closed with the other dog about! I don't think I'd have wanted to either

I agree, I think as long as precautions are taken then there's no reason not for DA dogs to attend classes. Especially when it can help them so much

Originally Posted by Helena54 View Post
NO! I don't like it at all! We had a staffie at my last training class(puppy!) and as it walked past us doing some heelwork, it lunged out at my poor dog (puppy!) and it's put her right off staffies for that very reason I'm sure of it! Bladdy thing wasn't even a puppy it should never have been in our class!

Being the owner of a now suspect da dog, I'd think twice about taking her to further our training quite honestly. I've done one to one agility a few times, but we're ready to go on into a mixed class of 3 dogs, but even then I'm going to have to decide what the other dogs are like before I do that.

Even before I started these particular classes, I was watching from the stage, and on the floor in a big class (all puppies) there was this raucous 18 month old gsd who was trying to get at all the other dogs and I thought how glad I was that I wasn't in that class.

I wouldn't want to put anybody else through the trauma of having my dog in a big class, although having said that, when I took her to a very big show last summer, she was nice to all of them as we walked around both onlead and off, so who can tell?! I think it really depends on whether you think your dog is aggressive to ALL other dogs, or maybe just the odd one like mine is, because you could be lucky enough to have all nice dogs in your class and all will be fine? You just don't know though do you
Oh that's awful about the staffie in your class I suppose a lot of the time it comes down to the other people in the class too. You can have your dog under control but if a handler or another dog does something then the situation is out of your control.
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07-01-2011, 08:34 PM
my dog can be dog aggressive and he attends dog classes every week and is up to good citizen silver i only let him do what i know that he and me are comfatable with and this has worked really well i do have some people in the classes i go to over react and expect bad things from him but he will do a sit stay at distance with other dogs around no problem as long as the trainer is good and the class structured with handlers knowing there limitations i dont see a problem
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07-01-2011, 08:54 PM
i take mia to classes
first class was with a great trainer who I had been taking Ben to her classes for a while
She totaly understood and let us take a space in the far corner of the room and only join in with what we could easily manage
We even went on and did her agility classes (fun ones) and things were great - I could keep her on the lead and give her all the space needed

I then went on to 'proper' agility classes and all was great for about 18 months as it wa a small class of the same dogs who became great friends
Then all of a sudden there were different dogs every week, and some were very reactive, stressing me and Mia out - and the trainer made me keep her off the lead although i didnt want to
and of course it ended up with Mia running up to and barking in the face of another dog
I left the class
- my fault, I shouldnt have listned to the trainer

and other classes I have been to just push us too fast too soon, trying to have her offlead or too close to other dogs so I had to leave those classes

I think it is a great thing, IF the trainer knows what is going on, is careful about the mix of dogs in the class (in one class a supposed 'friendly' dog was eyeballing mia the whole time - and even charged up to her - and I got told off for HER reaction!
and the other owners know what is going on and give the space needed
and the owner of the DA dog is responsible and keeps them under control
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07-01-2011, 08:58 PM
RE: do people mind - I hope not, I'm hoping to take Benjie on the KC good dog scheme that Louie's going on and he has DA tendencies

But obviously I will ask the trainer first

I don't think I would mind as long as the dog was under control at all times. Except Benjie - my other two wouldn't react to an aggressive dog - well I know for certain Sadie wouldn't - if Benjie ever gets in her face he up and turns her bum on him - she doesn't give him the time of day
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07-01-2011, 09:03 PM
At our dog club they deliberitly take on dogs said to be untrainable or due to be put into rescue. You see a huge difference in them. But the trainer is fantastic with them and doesnt put anything to chance.
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