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View Poll Results: Should dog agressive dogs be allowed to attend normal dog classes?
Yes, they have the right to training the same as the next dog! 47 63.51%
No, its not fair on the other dogs! 27 36.49%
Not really bothered either way! 0 0%
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Hannah
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12-09-2006, 09:31 AM

Should dog agressive dogs be allowed in obedience classes?

Loki and I moved up to the next class at obedience last night, it was very good, but im suprised of the number of dog agressive dogs that go, the instructor was careful to keep them a good distance away from other dogs and warn owners what dogs wernt friendly so there was no risk to other dogs, but the one dog who was very dog agressive and at his own at the end of the room kept staring at Loki and postering and was really winding Loki up making it hard to get him to concentrate. I really feel its abit unfair on the other dogs in the class and perhaps they shouldnt be allowed to attend the class or at least should have a seperate class.
I dont have a problem with grumpy dogs who just have a bit of a growl, as loki wants to say hello it makes him a bit distracted but he has to learn to behave with distractions.

My sister has a dog aggressive staffy, a rescue who although he has accepted a puppy in the family is very agressive around other dogs this makes life very dificult as to where they can walk and when so I understand it is not easy having a dog agressive dog and am not trying to offend anyone with a dog aggressive dog!
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12-09-2006, 09:36 AM
i dont think they should be allowed into a class with other ok dogs.
for example, indie is dog aggressive, but she is signed up to a rehabilitation class where they deal with dogs like indie. she isnt allowed into the normal group.

i dont think its fair to put dogs like that in with other dogs that are fine. its a waste of ur money and time, and not fair on all the other dogs. esp if there is a particuarly nervous dog in the class
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12-09-2006, 09:48 AM
can't vote on this one.

I don't like it when there are aggressive dogs and the owners are not doing anything about it, they should have some private instruction outside the class to know HOW to handle their dog with others around.

My friend who competes to a high level has a nervous aggressive collie. She has complete control of her dog, and anyone looking would not think twice. Yet if a dog approached Frosty she would bite it, was it not for my friends complete control (she just gets the collie to look at her to get the attention away from the approaching dog) complete control. Yet others are happily allowed to come in with their nasty dogs quite visibly snapping at anything that moves.
By the way, Frosty comes to the class ONLY for socialisation, as she gets worse if not seeing other dogs for a while.
I think the ban should be for barkers, as they are far more off putting when you are trying to work and can't get your dog to hear you! (luckily I use hand signals too).
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12-09-2006, 09:50 AM
No I dont think so, it's very unfair on the other dogs. Especially if you have a nervous dog. My two are fairly confident with other dogs, but at one agility class I went to there was a very dog agressive dog and my flatcoat kept looking over at this dog and his hackles were going up and he was trying to join in the barking, and having a go back. I know for a fact thought if he was loose he'd be running away with his tail between his legs, but even so it was unsettling and it does distract the other dogs.

The odd grumpy one that just doesnt want to socialise with others I think is ok. As long as it only has go when a dog comes up and it wants to be left alone. (I need more of them for my two ) but as a rule I think No. No dog aggressive dog should be allowed in an obediance or agility class.
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12-09-2006, 09:50 AM
At the OB training I went to with Teagan, there were 2 dog agressive dogs, and they didn't cause a problem.
We were all made aware of it, they were always under control, and they had to do the same as everyone else, and slowly but surely, they both started to improve.
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12-09-2006, 09:54 AM
Originally Posted by jess View Post

My friend who competes to a high level has a nervous aggressive collie. She has complete control of her dog, and anyone looking would not think twice. Yet if a dog approached Frosty she would bite it, was it not for my friends complete control (she just gets the collie to look at her to get the attention away from the approaching dog) complete control. Yet others are happily allowed to come in with their nasty dogs quite visibly snapping at anything that moves.
By the way, Frosty comes to the class ONLY for socialisation, as she gets worse if not seeing other dogs for a while.
I can understand that position, but if someone was to have a go at your friend, then my sympathies would be with your friend on that one. If she kept away and made it clear she was only there for socilsation, I find it's the owners who think it's ok for their dogs to run around and say hi to the different dogs without asking first that drive me nuts.

But I'm a grumpy person
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12-09-2006, 09:58 AM
lol!

I think more responsibility should lie with the instructors to be honest. I see people making mistakes in class, and they are obviously there to learn, there should be enough instructors to spot this, or fewer people allowed in the class at once. It's basically come as you please. Could be better.
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12-09-2006, 09:58 AM
not that i know everything! but I do get annoyed when people are paying and not being given the appropriate attention and helped when they are doing things wrong, or could be doing better...
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12-09-2006, 10:18 AM
I think you people won´t like it, but I think that aggressive dogs need obedience as much as the other one´s and maybe even more. And it is very important for them to go to a class with normal dogs, so that they learn to behave and obey in the presence of other dogs.
If they are in a class only with aggressive dogs, they won´t learn anything, as they will spent their time barking, snapping and charging .. and their masters will go crazy, too.
If on the other side, such a difficult dog comes to a class with normal dogs and is (and his master) receiving enough attention and advice from the trainer, the dog will make big progress soon. It is very important, that the trainer explains the master how to handle and deal with such dog in presence of other dogs and makes sure the dog is next to rather flegmatic dog and can do no harm.

Don´t forget, that no dog was born aggressive, but what he is is result of work (or lack of work) of his master. Such dogs and masters need extra help and patience and they should not be excluded from obedience class or training.

It´s all about people, not really about dogs.
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12-09-2006, 10:25 AM
I kind of think they should be entitled, how else are they going to learn to be calm around other dogs. We had 2 aggressive dogs at my last class, and It didn't really bother me, one snapped at Roxy and so the owner took him outside and did the rest of his training alone, felt really bad for the bloke.
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