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toobendy
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01-07-2012, 12:37 PM
i really think you need to find a different trainer, one who uses reward based training & don't use the bottle. it sounds like he's scared of the bottle & if it's used when he's around other dogs he could then associate the scary thing with other dogs which could make him aggressive. at the moment it doesn't sound like he's a truly aggressive dog, he wants to play but then gets too excited or if the other dog doesn't want to play he goes too far trying to force them to play
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01-07-2012, 02:48 PM
Thank you all for your incredibly helpful advice and considered responses. It is heart-warming to have such a large group of people to whom dogs mean so much and are so generous with their knowledge and expertise.

I think the most important thing I've got from here today is a reality check - checking his body language and responses and intervening at a much earlier point.

I am going to restrict the amount of contact he has with other dogs for a while and concentrate on some specific training with.

He's a lovely lad - you'd all love him I'm sure.

Sandy
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01-07-2012, 02:56 PM
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He's a lovely lad - you'd all love him I'm sure. Sandy
...and in return for all the advice you have to post pics now!
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01-07-2012, 03:13 PM
If you are in Central Somerset, I can recommend some local trainers/behaviourists, imcluding some which do Dog Socialisation/'Growly Dog' classes.
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01-07-2012, 06:41 PM
I have a DA bitch who is either, leashed and muzzled if I know other dogs will be about ( I try and avoid these situations like the plague ) or she is leashed with no muzzle or muzzled and off leash, it depends on where we are walking.
The only reason I let her off lead and muzzled is because she does have an excellent recall and has no desire to approach dogs, she also stays within a few feet of me even without a leash.
What I would suggest is that what ever way you decide to manage him you do not allow him to even think about practising his aggression, the more he does it, the better he'll get at it.
For the moment, until you have a bit more control, I'd steer clear of other dogs. As well as protecting other dogs, your also protecting him and yourself from possible trouble with the law.
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02-07-2012, 06:01 AM
I absolutely agree with you about his practising his aggression - I think he realises now that he can be a bully when he wants to be i.e the latest situation. The more opportunities he gets to practice the better he'll become! So he'll only be allowed near dogs under strict supervision - the one thing that distracts him every time is squeaky toys so I might let him just see the dogs but circle around them using treats and squeaks. Most of the time he is completely oblivious to other dogs - just not interested in them, this time I was walking along with the owner and no doubt he felt "forced" to be with this other dog and calculated that either he wanted the other dog to go away, play and if she wouldn't then he'd get aggressive.

Sometimes when I'm laid on the floor (not often) he kind of stands over me with a very dominant look on his face, I push him very hard and shout "NO" and he becomes very submissive, lays on his back and wants to be tickled. Very odd boy.

He is a very wilful dog which is why I have to be constantly scanning the horizon for likely trouble spots - cows, rabbits etc..

Thanks for your sharing your experience it is so helpful.

Sandy.



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I have a DA bitch who is either, leashed and muzzled if I know other dogs will be about ( I try and avoid these situations like the plague ) or she is leashed with no muzzle or muzzled and off leash, it depends on where we are walking.
The only reason I let her off lead and muzzled is because she does have an excellent recall and has no desire to approach dogs, she also stays within a few feet of me even without a leash.
What I would suggest is that what ever way you decide to manage him you do not allow him to even think about practising his aggression, the more he does it, the better he'll get at it.
For the moment, until you have a bit more control, I'd steer clear of other dogs. As well as protecting other dogs, your also protecting him and yourself from possible trouble with the law.
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02-07-2012, 06:04 AM
I have now got him into training classes - starting soon. I've only had him a couple of months and it was difficult to find a place that would take him. I find training a little bit expensive so will do this training class which comes highly recommended and then if I continue to have problems then I'll contact you for advice about other behaviourists.

many thanks
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Originally Posted by MerlinsMum View Post
If you are in Central Somerset, I can recommend some local trainers/behaviourists, imcluding some which do Dog Socialisation/'Growly Dog' classes.
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02-07-2012, 09:14 AM
For control purposes I got Daisy a http://www.ruffwear.co.uk/dog-gear/h...master-harness
They are expensive but it's made a real difference to controlling her, if a dog does approach her, I can hold the handle, previously if she just had a collar on she'd very nearly choke herself unconscious while the other owner faffed about trying to get their dog.
I think the squeaky toy idea's the way to go, I'd keep a tiny one in my pocket at all times.

Hope you can get him sorted
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02-07-2012, 08:44 PM
Originally Posted by Baxter8 View Post
Sometimes when I'm laid on the floor (not often) he kind of stands over me with a very dominant look on his face, I push him very hard and shout "NO" and he becomes very submissive, lays on his back and wants to be tickled.
Hi Sandy, I'm not sure I understand what you mean by the above! Do you mean he starts to snarl or growl at you when you are lying down?

Originally Posted by Baxter8 View Post
I have now got him into training classes - starting soon.
Oh that's good news! Let's hope it does him some good. Do you mind me asking whereabouts the class is? [PM me if you don't want to say on the forum].
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13-07-2012, 06:08 AM
Just noticed your response - no he doesn't snarl or growl at me at all - he stands very firm very solid and his head is very high - a VERY dominant stand, I then push him really very firmly and say NO in a very loud voice and he roles over in an extremely submissive way.

Originally Posted by MerlinsMum View Post
Hi Sandy, I'm not sure I understand what you mean by the above! Do you mean he starts to snarl or growl at you when you are lying down?


Oh that's good news! Let's hope it does him some good. Do you mind me asking whereabouts the class is? [PM me if you don't want to say on the forum].
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