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lisa01uk87
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07-09-2010, 09:19 AM
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I own a Rottie (he's my third one over the years). My first one was owned in the early 90's and I don't think people's attitudes have changed much since then. I've had people squeal, run away, drag their children/dogs away as we go for a walk. I once even had a man throw a brick at my Rottie bitch who was on-lead just out for a walk, just because he was frightened of them (she had never even met him before!) One old lady who was patting my Rott as a pup saying how lovely he was asked me after a few mins what breed he was, once told she yanked her hand away and said what a pity, he'll turn when he gets older! Well, I can proudly say, he hasn't 'turned' he is as gentle now as he was then and a fabulous ambassador for his breed who is an absolute pleasure to own.

I do understand totally why people are scared of them, most people read in the newspapers/saw news on TV about various attacks. They believe that Rotties as a BREED are all the same, all dangerous, children-biting beasts. It saddens me enormously that so many Rotties end up with very unsuitable owners. They are not a status symbol, they are not a walking burglar alarm or four-legged protection, they are a highly clever, powerful dog that needs that energy, drive and intelligence chanelled in the right direction. Without exception, every time I hear/read about a Rottie attack I have been left saying to myself, well, with an owner like that it was never going to turn out well.

Countless times I've read - dog left in yard/on pub roof/chained up/never let inside house. Got rescue, didn't know the background history etc, etc. The latest case in Scotland, the dogs were left loose to roam. They had bitten previously (no surprise there, left to roam, no discipline or training, no care). Their owner obviously didn't give a crap about them (angers me how they ended up still obtaining another one, one of the ones in the second attack was a young pup I understand 6mths?) It was never going to turn out well was it?

Also, The Sun newspaper in particular is very breedist and has been guilty many times of inaccurate reporting, combined with sensationalistic headlines and graphic photos showing a Rottie barking and looking scary. One report they did said the dog had killed it's owner without motive. It transpired later this dog was actually LICKING it's owners face who had become unconscious and it was desperately trying to wake him up. Even though these facts emerged they did not mention this in any further issues of the paper. Not headline grabbing enough for them eh? Combine these headlines with the ridiculous Dangerous Dog Act and you compound fears that certain Breeds that are all dangerous rather than individual dogs which is the case.

I ensured Marius was well-socialized and trained from an early age. He is very well-adjusted as a result and is neither dog or people-aggressive. Rotties are NOT naturally aggressive dogs, they are calm, self-assured, natural guards. They are however, naturally dominant (not the same thing) and require a specific owner to bring out the best in them. In the wrong hands (ie - people who encourage them to be aggressive) or when badly bred (temperaments are often the first thing to suffer) - or both, that's when you get the problems occuring.

I have to say, once people meet Marius, they do realize how nice a Rott can be. I have had the pleasure of a few people telling me they used to be scared of the breed, but now realize they "aren't all bad", which is the nearest to a compliment you are going to get up here!

I've said this before on Dogsey, but always feel it is food for thought..... every year there are lots of dog-shows where literally hundreds of dogs participate and Rotties are one breed where there are always a high no of entrants. There were approx 500 Rotts entered at Crufts alone (if I remember correctly). But, I don't believe there were any instances of dangerous, aggressive behaviour from them. Why? Because they have been socialized, trained and have responsible people handling/showing them. The dogs know what's expected of them and how to behave properly.

Both Staffies and Rotts very sadly often end up in entirely unsuitable hands. I adore Staffies, this little breed is fabulous with children, wonderful natured and totally does not deserve the bad rep it has unjustly been tagged with. It is a complete tragedy that they are now the no 1 in rescue centres Both are wonderful breeds that are much maligned and misunderstood and most attacks seem to be a direct results of the dog in entirely unsuitable hands.

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very good post, i agree entirerly, i was brought up with a rottie, she was the soppiest, most gentle dog there was, fantastic temperement with people, dogs and all animals really, and as for staffs, they are fantastic dogs when they are in the right hands, any dog can be 'dangerous' when in the wrong hands, but you never hear of a yorkie/lab/poodle attack in the papers, its always staffies/rotties/gsd's etc which doesnt help with the anti dog bragade.

it is very sad that staffies became such a popular breed for the numpties out there to own, and where i used to live in edinburgh it was always the drug addicts or alchaholics who owned them and they were very people friendly but not normally socalised with other dogs, which in turn meant that they were dog aggressive, i have never met a people agressive staffie although i have been bitten by one, but i was trying to break up a dog fight at the time, so it wasnt as if the agression was directed at me, it was more of a get off so i can get to the other dog. Doesnt mean that i would be put off going and fussing other staffies.

the rep that both breeds often get is extremley unfair and usually fuelled by the papers and news teams across the country. just wish that people would stop judging a book by its cover, but unfortunatly untill the papers and news teams start to report some good stories about the breeds this will never change

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07-09-2010, 10:55 AM
Had nothing but bad experiences when it comes to staffies and other dogs. Every single adult one I've met has had some dog aggression issues, some would ignore other dogs providing they were left alone, others would attack them just because they were there. Some were raised by teenage guys who wanted a status symbol, some in a loving family home and well socialised. When it comes to people however, I've yet to meet one that wasn't an absolute sweetheart. I'd worry more about a Shih Tzu racing towards me on the street than I would a Staffie to be perfectly honest.

As for Rotties, not really met that many of them. The ones I have met have been highly intelligent and non aggressive. I think they're a lovely breed and don't deserve the bad press they get. I've never had a bad experience with one.

I think the media is extremely breedist in all honesty. We hear a lot about "devil dogs" such as Rotties and Staffies yet I feel more threatened by these little old ladies with their yapping, snarling toy breeds that attempt to leap off their park bench and tear you to shreds if you dare walk past. We never hear about those in the news and the case where the Dachshund had supposedly bitten someone was made into an absolute farce because apparently small dogs aren't capable of being dangerous.

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07-09-2010, 11:07 AM
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i own a rottie and to be fair its a big breed of a dog with a reputation that does not need to be given lola is a big softy great with kids and other dogs.

the rottie was originaly bread for cattle driving and gaurd dogs by the romans to protect the supplies when in transport not to attack! this breed as with many other breeds can be a serious threat IF (and i cannot state this enough ) kept in the wrong hands.

the only trouble being is that the dogs are so widley avalible at this given time so any tom dick or harry can get a hold of them. most of the dogs staffs/rotties are used as status dogs wich is completley the wrong reason to own a dog.

ive been around many dogs in my life and to be honest id trust a well trained rottie/staff over any dog that is untrained/socialised.
at the end of the day its not the breed that should be looked into its the people owning them.


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07-09-2010, 12:43 PM
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I totally agree that it's not the breed but how the dogs are treated as puppies.My son & daughter in law live with 2 labs, a rottie, a cat and 2 children aged 3&1! The rottie is the quietest, softiest member of the house and puts up with alot of hassle from the kids. I don't personally know any staffies, but cos my dog has been nipped a couple of times by staffies I tend to be a bit wary now. I did once meet a big, shaven headed, tattooed man and he had a staffie on a studded leather harness- but that was a lovely dog all waggy tail and play bowing. What I'm trying to say is as a dog owner myself now I would never write off any dog just cos of it's breed or even the look of the owner. I too have met little old ladies with very nasty little dogs, maybe they should be highlighted more in the press!!
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07-09-2010, 02:12 PM
I love staffies and rotts (and have a special fondness for EBT but that's another story).
However! Sadly I do find myself concerned sometimes when I see one I don't know, who is offlead. No concern for me, but for my dog. I feel this these days with any strongly muscled powerful dog, and this is ONLY because of their rise as status dogs, and I totally recognise this. Because of the status dog thing, some of these dogs are not socialised and are encouraged to attack (humans or dogs- there was a video of a man in Boscombe, Dorset being made to stroke a dog, then 2 youths said the dog was "unstrokeable" and made the dog bite him ). So overall, the dogs are fine, but I worry about who they are with, if I don't know them, and if they've been well socialised with dogs and people.
These are the "current status dog" breeds at the moment.
Also, large heavy dogs can do more damage overall than smaller dogs, even gsds, collies, labs etc (ref: James O Heare Canine Aggression workbook) although any dog can inflict a severe bite...

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07-09-2010, 02:16 PM
To be honest I am wary of any dog I don't know even if the owner says its OK. Too many times I have heard oh he's never done that before.

In my experience some owners of other breeds think it is funny when their dog goes for my SBT. Smaller the dog the funnier they think it is.
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07-09-2010, 06:51 PM
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My bitch was bitten and badly hurt by a Rottweiller (who had bitten before) but the owners were complete nuggets (they live in a top-floor flat with no garden and apparently deal drugs). The dog had previously been sent away to a dog training institution because of its problems but the owners still had it off-lead and unmuzzled. It was their first dog and I wouldn't have let them own a Chihuahua let alone a dog with the size and power of a Rottweiller.

Parker has been bitten by a Staffy and was quite poorly as a result (infected wound). Around the corner from where we live there is a large block of council flats and most of the dog owners there own Staffies. The ones we have met are all dog aggressive and Parker does not like Staffies as a result (unless he meets a calm friendly one which has only happened once).

My great-niece has also been bitten by a Staffy when aged 8 that belonged to a friend of the family. She had to go to hospital as a result. All dogs are capable of biting.

The other issue I have with Staffies is that we have had problems with people letting their dogs charge up to Cherry's face and bounce on her from a long distance away. She doesn't like this as she is fear reactive (kept on a lead) and partly sighted. I use my pet corrector spray to stop them jumping on her and then the owners get stroppy but they shouldn't let their dogs charge up like this.

I think a lot of pet dog owners dislike, and are afraid of Staffies. My work colleagues who own dogs do. What is the answer? Attracting a better type of responsible owner but you can't really legislate for that can you?
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07-09-2010, 06:57 PM
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Unfortunately, there is far too much indiscriminate breeding of both Staffies and Rotties and this is having a detrimental effect on the temperament.

IMO, people have every right to be wary of these dogs. I'm not speaking so much in terms of their interactions with people but with other animals. TBH, i've not met that many Rotties but I have nothing against them or Staffies as such. I've helped transport Staffies to safety and I walk them at my local rescue centre. I find them to be very friendly with people but are troublesome with other dogs.

When i'm walking my own dogs, I will always recall them away from certain breeds which includes any bull breeds, akitas, GSDs, terriers or any other breed we've had trouble with.

I'm sure with the breeding back in the hands of those who have the breeds interests at heart their reputation and temperament would improve. However, as unpopular as I may be by saying this, I believe that unfortunately, in our current climate, their reputations are deserved (and i'm talking with other dogs, not people).
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07-09-2010, 07:06 PM
I don't know if it is different areas but my Staffords are not a problem to any dogs.

The main problems I have is with other breeds their owners letting their dogs charge up to mine and then laughing because their dog has taken on a Stafford.
My Vera is not at all dog aggressive but it is so hard when mixing with these kind of numpties because one day she is going to have enough and react back and then they will say its because she is a Stafford, no she is just fed up with owners who allow their dogs to have no manners.

Most Stafford owners are just like me.

Some Staffords are dog aggressive but then according to a whole lot of people on here so are a lot of other breeds.
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07-09-2010, 07:50 PM
Experience of both breeds either by ownership or work.

SBT owned ex fighting dogs brilliant with people was a night mare with other dogs, but he had been trained to fight.
Took time to rehabilitate with behaviourist & trainer but was a lovely dog.
The breed itself I like I feel if they are socialised right they can make a ideal pet.
Having said that, we live in Birmingham where a growing number are status image dogs and we have seen problems but they are IMO human made.

Rotti, love the breed have a number of friends with them, all well adjusted dogs but are with the right owner for the breed as they are experienced.
Only time I had a bad deal with one was at work when one turned and dragged down a kennel maid and ragged her around like a doll, I helped by holding him against the railing whilst they got her out, I was severely bitten about the arm and shoulder but that was a unknown history dog.

Both breeds I would have as I have no issues with either
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