You are right, the camera work does tend to `lose` a lot of what goes into it

I`m `non breeding fraternity` but I`m certainly not having a pop, quite the opposite

I like the work Mary Ray does with her dogs , And enjoyed her at the B,I,S performance xxdk

When I posted my comments, I didn't realise how much it would gets peoples back up. So I did a couple of emails and now have a response and this will be my last word on this particular subject.

I had a reply from MR, they don't have puppies but DO use the dogs for stud - so dogs are used to enable people breed from the bitches. (So line goes back to stud dog as well as the bitch)
The 2nd email gave me some details, but I am not going to post that as it could be libellous.

When I used the word 'pinches', I meant borrowed...as I always use that word. A bit like the word bent has an alternate meaning these days.

This is a quote from the email I recieved:

In the early days when it started they were all original and a few of the moves that are now popular in the last few years have originated with Mary, but most people in the sport will use moves that they see other handlers using and put them into their routines.
But of course everyone has got short memories and if you do start an original move off and Mary has done many, everyone forgets who has started it.

So I hope that everyone finds this acceptable as, I emailed
M&DR direct.

Well done for contacting Mary and Dave direct, its always better to do that than just talk about someone.

Another factor with the `copied moves`, [ which as you have had confirmed, Mary came up up with most of them in the first place ] some moves are required elements so those will be used time and time again by different handlers of course, as well as being used for Freestyle as it would`nt make sense to put in the work to only ever use this or that move for one routine

Thanks!

So to Clarify


So Mary does not breed Pups from her Bitches & does not Pinch other peoples moves.

Its brave of you to do that publically so hats off to you.I hope you get yoyr facts right before slandering someone in future.

I would like to see her try and train an Afghan like that.

Tumbleweed

Did we clear up the CEA carrier business? JoedeeUK said he (Quincey) has produced many affected puppies, so my question was, Did she use him on untested bitches KNOWING he was a carrier and could produce affected offspring, or did she not bother in the first place, use him anyway and wait for upset owners to tell her about their affected dogs and she have it done then?
Dawn.

Er Did I I think not
Nowhere have I put many if you are going to quote me please do so correctly.

He is clinically CEA clear-so the clinical test would have revealed nothing(just like my Rjj) & the DNA test is a recent test(available well after most of his puppies were concieved.) At least his clinically clear offspring are being DNA tested now & he has produced some DNA clear offspring

I tryed to explain but not very well, Quincy is a Carrier. As dyane said ,at the old test at the vets he would have passed as he is not "affected", obvisley now we have the DNA test (fairley recent, Quincey is 1997) & its shown him up as a carrier,so thats shown he can only be put to DNA "clear" bitches,if she decides to use him again.

He hasent been really widely used for such a successful dog,(im not sure if hes on anadune dyane?with any litter stats?)

Can I ask, a question, and this has nothing to do with MR , just a general observation. so dont shoot me down

If a dog is a CEA carrier , and put to a clear bitch , what are the chances of the off springs being affected?

Would`nt it be better not to use a carrier at all for breeding.