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07-02-2011, 08:13 AM
Originally Posted by promarc 
i agree as well as many have said if you cant learn your big dog as a pup etc then the dog shouldnt be bought. now ive got a mastweiler who'll grow to 11-14 stone of daftness, he pulls like mad now but just started clicker training and is going down a treat, so as a first time ever dog owner and i can train then there's no excuse for other people training. in fact its lazy on the dog owner having one of these contraption's. a bit of common sense and a good site like dogsey will set you on the right track with the right training with help at any time.
& good on you!
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07-02-2011, 12:35 PM
Originally Posted by *Lorraine*
Many Dogs pass through many homes as a result of one problem, which if corrected early on wouldn't have escalated.
Many of these Dogs also end up deemed "dangerous" uncontrollable" etc.
In some cased an owner will turn to an instructor for help, as a last ditch effort to sort the problem.
We all KNOW that training takes time & effort, but in reality many want a quick fix, or will pass the Dog on (or worse)
In such cases one to one sessions with a trainer using the collar on a regular basis can encourage the owner into seeing the Dog can behave differently .
Sadly people will not put time & effort in, unless there is an issue. Then they go to the "experts" hand over bundles of cash,just to be told to do what they should have done in the 1st pace....& be watched while they do it.
Just to clarify, I don't like ANY gadgets being used when "proper" training removes the need for them
With regards to the owner should train from the start so the dog won't need it.
Many dogs are rescues, many dogs are brought when the owner doesn't mind pulling but an injury or illness changes that, also many dogs don't respond to the methods you promote.
Adam
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07-02-2011, 12:40 PM
Originally Posted by Adam Palmer
I basically agree with this, I'm not a huge user of prongs (because I specilise in off lead stuff) but have seen them make a real difference to certain dog/human combinations.
With regards to the owner should train from the start so the dog won't need it.
Many dogs are rescues, many dogs are brought when the owner doesn't mind pulling but an injury or illness changes that, also many dogs don't respond to the methods you promote.
Adam
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07-02-2011, 12:44 PM
Originally Posted by wilbar
Well said
& good on you!
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08-02-2011, 12:08 PM
Smokeybear who posts here uses them and she is a good sports trainer promarc, the only advantage I see by taking longer is it makes more money for the trainer. Smokeybear says they don’t hurt, have you ever been shown how to use one?
Smokeybear, Alison Tohme, http://tinyurl.com/4fny9mu
Adam
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08-02-2011, 12:15 PM
Originally Posted by Adam Palmer
total nonesense adam all dogs will as lorraine pointed out time effort and paitence is all that is needed.
Smokeybear who posts here uses them and she is a good sports trainer promarc, the only advantage I see by taking longer is it makes more money for the trainer. Smokeybear says they don’t hurt, have you ever been shown how to use one?
Smokeybear, Alison Tohme, http://tinyurl.com/4fny9mu
Adam
oh and coz smokeybear says it doesnt hurt it mustn't eh?
does not make it right imo
i would actually doubt how good a trainer really...
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08-02-2011, 12:20 PM
..he is a weird cyber stalker trying to rake stuff up about members.
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08-02-2011, 12:21 PM
Originally Posted by Tupacs2legs
actually... Adam is beginning to freak me out
..he is a weird cyber stalker trying to rake stuff up about members.
That person IS a cyber stalker and by association A P is becoming one.
rune
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08-02-2011, 12:25 PM
Originally Posted by rune
No---he has been in touch with his master again!
That person IS a cyber stalker and by association A P is becoming one.
rune