That is basically what I am saying. The dog simply desensitises to each level.
I am trying to find a reference to the 'P-Scale' on the net.

I agree, for punishment to work, future behaviour must diminish so if the dog shuts down on the first punishment the future events will say if it has worked or not. I guess it is the skill of the trainer who uses punishment to judge what is too much.


(Thanx Tabitha)

Be intersting to see which country allowed that, was it N Korea? anyway have you got the ref, I cant find it in science direct

Adam

Where was the Little Albert experiment?! There were few morals or ethics back then.

I am searching for the research.

Thanks, I see its an old study.

On the subject of punishment have you heard about that pigeon research were the desensitised to pecking the electric bar? Same princple.

Btw I prefer to use neg reinforcement to deal with unwanted behaviours, to make the dog subsitute wanted ones. With this you start at the lowest level, this applies to any behaviour even sheep chasing.

Adam

A bit more on spray collars.

the Masterplus is the delivery system for citronella, as far as citronella goes heres a couple of the hundreds of

Citronella M S D Sheets

http://www.thegoodscentscompany.com/msds/md100301.html



http://libertynatural.com/msd/355.htm

Adam

Thankyou I have no problem looking like a fool on walks I do try similar things when I see her
Thankfully she dosent do it all that often - but when she does its her whole body!! such a lady

- I remember a car ride back from the coast with my friends dog who had found a rotting seal carcass and rolled in it
(sorry if anyones eating) it was a smell I will never forget!

I assumed you didn`t like dogs much because you said punishment should be the hardest it can be to ensure effectiveness.
Not a lot of evidence of positive training there.
I`d have said that punishment makes the dog feel bad. It doesn`t ensure a change of behaviour.
More importantly, it says more about the person doing the hurting than about the method.
It is not a `fact` that hurting a dog a lot is the most effective way to punish them. You clearly called it a fact. It isn`t - it`s a lie.

There is a difference between abuse and punishment. That is the point I am trying to make.

Hi
I can totally sympathsize with you on this problem and considered using a remote spray training device on my boy too but luckily found an alternative so thought i would share....Ollie my lab (rescue...so no history except he was a stray and skinny) used to do this, he never ate his own poo but would sometimes eat other dogs that we found out on walks.
my first port of call was the vets where they took bloods which turned out to be normal and he was checked over - and considered to be in very good health. I then introduced some wet food into his diet along with his kibble in case it was a texture thing........
Another thing that helped us was scattering some really tasty treats on the ground at random points on our walks so he could search for these (with some encouragement) instead of looking for poos....
just thought you could perhaps try something like this with your dog just in case. Ollie has certainly improved hugely, i still chuck an occasional treat out for him to find on our walks now but not constantly and he quite enjoys having to seek out a treat. whether this worked for us due to this training or he just grew out of it or whatever i do not know...but it wont hurt to try