Frawley makes Cesar Millan look like Mother Theresa.

Frawley is weird - I don't think he really knows what he believes. His methods are a strange and often incompatible pastiche of old time yank and jerk with some new operant methods.


Like MIllan he loves to talk about dominance and being alpha, and as we've read he believes in a forceful (brutal) methods to address dominant dogs, he also writes that the alpha pin is stupid and those that promoted should be shot.

I would use a collar like this as a last resort before PTS.

If you mean the DDC, it would be illegal. It's different in the US.

To be honest, if you had a dog who was a huge problem the sensible thing would be to ask for help from behaviour counsellors (like the aforementioned Dr Overall) who can help such dogs without the use of brutal force.


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what wonderful trainers they are, with three correction collars on a dog

He would probably do it himself with his own gun... Much on his site is quite laughable and he loves twisting what people say- still its been a good business for him and made plenty of money.

but what is the last resort?
people often say they have tried everything but in reality that can mean
i have shouted at my dogs lots
i have tried lots of different methods but gave each one up after a short while and confused the dog
i havent tried a behavourist
i have tried one behavourist

most people when they say they have tried everything really havent but they want a quick fix cos tv makes it look like problems can be sorted in 30mins

I could never condone anything as awful as that. I am sure he is talking about dogs that are more akin to tigers on a lead, but using such brutal methods is simply downright cruelty

I would never approve of or consider using many of the methods that are advocated on the Leerburg website, however, from watching a number of his dvds, I would say (at grass roots level) he talks a lot of sense. However, ecollars, prongs etc should be reserved for people experienced in their use and only used when absolutely necessary. The key to many training methods is to pick and choose the bits you want to use and bin the rest.

Not sure which collar we are discussing? However, I would consider using an ecollar as a last resort to stop a dog that was a sheep chaser and a worrier. Having owned such a dog, I know that conventional methods just don't work with a persistent chaser. For the record, I never did use an ecollar on her, but if I were to have such a dog again, I would consider using one with experienced help.