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03-05-2009, 06:34 PM
Hi,

He sounds a bright if mischievious boy

Just as a suggestion, I'd up the anti with him when you do scent work with him, what is it you are doing - does he have to retrieve items for you, different items? If so change those items for something different such as a bunch of keys etc. that can come in very useful indeed!

I don't know if this applies here or not, but maybe his time in kennels has made him a little anxious and he's expressing this with his recent behaviour, also he's still very young as some gsds can take up to three yrs old to level a bit and some others well.... the eternal puppy! Has he been neutered if you don't mind my asking, and if so, when? He sounds an awful lot of fun!
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03-05-2009, 08:10 PM
Hi,

He came back from kennels at the end of March. I'd usually leave him with my Mom or if necessary, my Dad as he's certainly a home comforts boy but as they were both coming on the holiday and I don't trust anyone else with them, I had no choice.

Maybe I am overstimulating him and as stated the more I try to do, the more he learns and therefore the more he needs to learn.

I'm lucky in that I work from home (when I can be bothered) and spending time training the dogs is far more attractive to me to spend my time on that formal work - so maybe I've overdone things a little!

With the scent work we started off with just a square shaped cloth, having now progressed to household items such as keys, Oscar's clothes etc. For hide and seek Oscar likes to hide in places like kitchen cupboards. If it's playtime where Zane can have his more favourite toys then he goes to the correct toy box and is able to open the catch on it.

A fortnight ago at training I taught him (with the help of the trainer and an ex police dog handler) to do send aways. he was shown twice on lead. Then offlead and he got it straight away. It took about 7 times for him to turn round before lying down though, but I still think that's pretty good.

I know GSDs are intelligent and IMO one of the most intelligent, resilient, flexible and adaptable breeds of dog that exist. It would seem that Zane is probably one oof the more inteligent GSDs I've ever owned.

Yes he has been neutered. He was done in June last year. It didn't change his character (which I didn't think it would) and didn't calm him down either (which in some ways I'm pleased about). I'm not sure if it had any effect on him being aggressive towards other dogs because he's always been so well socialised he wouldn't know what aggression was.

Yes - putting my text books away isn't really a problem but I feel that I shouldn't have to. Of course I will do because I'd rather they weren't eaten.

I know at 16 months the "kevin" stage should be more or less over (or at least the worst of it) but I don't thinkk I want him to be good all the time. As a yuong dog he SHOULD be naughty sometimes. I know he'll mellow out as he gets older and matures, although I know the two don't always go hand in hand. What's confusing is that his level of training (and it's been REALLY hard work but well worth it) now doesn't match his behaviour.

He sleeps at night time with Ellie and Yiannis in the living room. At no time has anything ever been touched, moved, taken or eaten during the night. Strange, no?

Maybe a combination of overstimulation, me going away on holiday, but maybe also because I spend so much time at home with him also has contributed to his behaviour.

Laura xx
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03-05-2009, 08:26 PM
To be honest, I think he sounds like a normal, well balanced young dog that has been trained well and taught to think for himself. Well done you.
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03-05-2009, 08:29 PM
Hi,

Perhaps you have answered your own question there!

Without a doubt he is smart, and you are buckling to his demands maybe (know the feeling), Mental work which he finds demanding will tire him out, he is still very young and you are a very brave (if not mislead) person to think that shortly he will settle right down because not all of them do when they are this bright! Look on the bright side, enjoy him and you will have a stimulating companion for life.
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03-05-2009, 09:01 PM
Hi,

Pleased on't get me wrong - I love Zane to death and don't want him to change. If he was good all the time I think I'd have reason to be worried.

Ramble - thank you. He can certainly think for himself. Maybe a little too well knwo though. Maybe that's why he snaffled my law books. Maybe he was reading 'em!

I know when he's older he''ll slow down (maybe) but I'm not expecting it anytime soon. To me he's still a puppy, if an overgrown one and I do kind of enjoy his puppy antics.

Laura xx
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04-05-2009, 06:54 AM
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Hi,

Pleased on't get me wrong - I love Zane to death and don't want him to change. If he was good all the time I think I'd have reason to be worried.

Ramble - thank you. He can certainly think for himself. Maybe a little too well knwo though. Maybe that's why he snaffled my law books. Maybe he was reading 'em!

I know when he's older he''ll slow down (maybe) but I'm not expecting it anytime soon. To me he's still a puppy, if an overgrown one and I do kind of enjoy his puppy antics.

Laura xx
Your love for him shines through. He sounds intelligent and he sounds like you have taught him to think for himself...he sounds very much like a dog I would love too. Dogs that do as they are told all the time can be a bit...well...boring I love dogs that think for themselves and have fun in life.
Enjoy every minute of it. We kept dreaming about the day Biff would calm down and now he has....well...it's so sad really. Mind you i do know how exhausting it can be...and how tiresome things are when you are tired and you don't want them to be thinking at that point!!! So have a hug too!
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04-05-2009, 11:11 AM
Would you not have the time to go onto the obedience circuit with Zane then? He's soooo smart, it would suit him down to the ground with the work you've already done with him, and maybe stem SOME of that naughty behaviour, but I know what you mean when you say you kind of like that in a dog (just not too much of it!) coz my previous girl could be very naughty at times, but only myschievous naughty, not downright naughty, and I too kind of liked that, and that's what I like about these dogs, it goes with their s.o.h. I think!

I think you're definitely right though about you being with them 24/7, that's the same as I had with my previous gsd, she was my constant shadow, we went everywhere together and did everything together, and that really did make a difference with her naughtiness, if only slight naughtiness, I'd like to call it her cheeky side! Maybe boys show it in a much more noticeable way, but I can't speak for the boys, coz my current lad is not a typical gsd, something went wrong with his upbringing, he's far too sane!

You might get told somewhere along the line to distance yourself from him a tad, but who wants that quite honestly, if you can get things under control and still have him pestering you, I know which one I prefer! All the best, this dog sure is a smarty pants, so get him into obedience, you never know, you could go far, bearing in mind if you've got the time of course, but you already seem to be half way there! I'd have a go myself if I wasn't so busy with stuff at the moment, but then they've got to be 2 years old anyways haven't they, so things could change for me too. All the best with him, I'm sure he'll settle down once he gets that kennel stress out of his mind anyways, you're right about that too!
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04-05-2009, 04:59 PM
Hi,

My intention was go get him involved with the obedience circuit but I don't know where to start really. teaching him single commands or even to do 2 things one after another is quite easy.

If possible, I'd love to train him to the same level as police dogs, show dogs etc. Not necessarily in the same things, but certainly to a very high standard.

There's a plae in Wales that do residential training of all sorts - protection, obedience etc and I thought of going there with him but whether I can go on an available weekend when I don't have Oscar depends on whether they run the courses on those weekends.
Something that hasn't happened at the same time yet.

Laura xx
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14-05-2009, 12:52 PM
In case you might be interested, a friend of mine is off to Dorst this week-end on a training week-end, hotel, the lot, with her dog, but he's a flatcoat and she will be doing the gundog training which she does already, but this is a whole week-end of it. They do other types of training and if you like I'll get the contact details for you?
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14-05-2009, 02:02 PM
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Hi,

I know when he's older he''ll slow down (maybe) but I'm not expecting it anytime soon. To me he's still a puppy, if an overgrown one and I do kind of enjoy his puppy antics.

Laura xx
I find GSDs tend to slow down when they get to about 8.....or 9. Ten, definitely. Then you start reminiscing and wishing they were norty again.
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