Now you got me winging all over again Taz! the tears are streaming down my face as I type....I wish you all lived in runcorn!!!!
Thankyou so much for the lovely words, (wiping the keyboard in case I electrocute myself)
Elaine xx

Hiya Hun
Its horrible when they are like this takes all the joy away from owning them. I have had 2 nightmares in my time but have never bitten people only my son once when pups but he kinda deserved it. Over the years a few of mine have had me in tears.
If she was mine I think I would try the tin thing where you get an empty can fill a fifth with coins and shake at her every time she does it, always found it helps loads, maybe worth a go hun xx

i dont think the tin thing works very well with collies, <jmo though! >

It can end up just frustrating them,or can also create/start noise sensitivity problem

i used a bottle once on nellie to try to stop her vocals in hw, it worked for two goes then she grabbed the bottle & played with it!!!! Shes a very strong bitch!!!!!

Yes - usually the dogs are too close or stress has been building up, hence the need to understand critical distance, threshold etc. The dogs need to be kept "below threshold" ie so they are not reacting to the other dog.

Dvd set is also out apparently, both are meant to be very good

http://www.positiveanimalsolutions.c...opwelcome.html

Wys

Thanks for that Julia, as I say it's nice to know that your not on you own, It felt like the worst day of my life yesterday. I couldn't see the woods for the trees. Now I have an action plan and I hope, no! I know, that things will improve.
Elaine xx
Elaine xx

Thanks Lyndsay, I have heard good things about this book and dvd, will check them out. I feel so much better now I have an action plan
Elaine xx

I have never owned BC's so cannot give any advice, but you have some good advice and hopefully you will be able to overcome all the little problems.
Ollie is nervous of some people and dogs although well socialised as a youngster but I have worked on him sitting and waiting it works a treat with him but he doesn't have the herding instincts of Poppy.
Wishing you luck.

Are there any sheepdog trainers in your area (I know trials at held at Rainow Cheshire?)? A bit of herding training and work could really turn her around. However, you have to be 100% committed and keep up the training and work. Would that be possible? If not, then I strongly suggest going to the training club Fudgeley suggested.

I agree. Collies are very sound sensitive and reactive and I don't think a rattle tin would solve the problem, in fact I would be concerned that it may exacerbate matters

Thinking on Poppy's problems overnight and speaking to OH, I do think it sounds as though she needs to work.

Also, just to reiterate what I said earlier - I would send Barbara Sykes and email. Border collies and aggression are two of her most experienced areas. I am sure she will give you some useful advice

Good luck.