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17-02-2011, 11:03 AM
Originally Posted by rune 
LOL---another of Adams imports---two posts and one is this one.
Sad really.
One does wonder how other people in Florida manage---I have a friend there with a pit bull type and they are fine without one.
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17-02-2011, 12:26 PM
Originally Posted by ClaireandDaisy
Adam the Alligator Man ... Gator Guy?
Sorry... I`m easily amused. But this whole thread has been surreal. This and the lady who lies down with horses.
Strange friends you have, Adam.
But I`m sure anyone in the UK having a problem with invading alligators will be sincerely grateful that Dogsey has aired this serious issue in such a snappy way.
LOL LOL - what a hilarious albeit bizarre thread. Have been cackling while reading.
Love 'snappy way' CLAIREANDDAISY, am grinning
Some of RUNE'S responses have also had me laughing.
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17-02-2011, 01:11 PM
Originally Posted by Crysania
Snakes =/= gators. Have you even SEEN a gator? I mean, for real. Because I don't think they're all that common in the UK. You can't just trap them and use them in a controlled way like you could a snake. You'd have to go out there and know where one is (YOU would have to, not your dog, YOU). There is no controlled way to train a dog alligator avoidance. The idea of it is just ridiculous. You know NOTHING Adam.
Keep your dog safe with a leash and keeping your eye out. And if you want to go off leash, go someplace safe and away from water.
Why is this so difficult?
Besides as DW points out they do get eaten on the lead.
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17-02-2011, 01:13 PM
Originally Posted by magpye
If the gator is in the water and you can see it, then its resting not hunting.. when it moves from resting to hunting, it will submerge, then lie in wait under the water.
You will maybe, if your lucky, teach the dog to fear the sight of a gator, or even the smell of a resting gator. But nothing can scent or see a submerged ambush gator thats their whole point.
I still think your training will probably only result in a dog that is scared of water or anything floating in the water and will likely get eaten some point during your training regime by the gator you didn't see.
Still i suppose you could then use the now eaten e collar to train that gator not to want to eat anyone else's dog
This training isn't about eleminating the risk totally (you could on;y do that by removing the gators) its about making the dog more aware of that risk and have a more avoidance attitude to gators.
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17-02-2011, 01:15 PM
Originally Posted by magpye
Little doggy air scenting 'towards' the gator... BZZZZZT eek... sniffing is bad, I should try moving, maybe towards the water BZZZZT Argh! Moving is bad... freeze... BZZZT too near the water? Too far from my owner? was I sniffing again? maybe I should lie down BZZZZZZZT BZZZZT! For FKS sake, thats it, Im just going to try dashing anywhere...
Yomp crunh crunch crunch gator snack...
BZZZzzzzzt bzzz zzzloop gloop blup........
nope..
cant see how this will work
Dog becomes aware of gator, you stim dog and move dog away with the lead, stim stops, dog learns to avoid gators.
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17-02-2011, 01:17 PM
Originally Posted by Adam Palmer
Fact is DW got his dog close enough to know that the dogs were interested ect without them being eaten, if you can do that you can train avoidance.
Besides as DW points out they do get eaten on the lead.
Adam
And if the dogs get close enough that someone can see them interested in an alligator then they can train a solid recall WITHOUT AN E-COLLAR and call them back immediately.
Dogs get eaten on the leash because people walk close to the edge of the water and pay no attention. If people keep their dog close and pay attention, keep a good distance away from the water's edge, there is no need for "training" using an e-collar.
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17-02-2011, 01:18 PM
Originally Posted by Adam Palmer
Pretty easily if you actually have any ablity to train at all!
Dog becomes aware of gator, you stim dog and move dog away with the lead, stim stops, dog learns to avoid gators.
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17-02-2011, 01:19 PM
Originally Posted by Crysania
STOP TALKING ABOUT THINGS YOU DO NOT KNOW!!!
And if the dogs get close enough that someone can see them interested in an alligator then they can train a solid recall WITHOUT AN E-COLLAR and call them back immediately.
Dogs get eaten on the leash because people walk close to the edge of the water and pay no attention. If people keep their dog close and pay attention, keep a good distance away from the water's edge, there is no need for "training" using an e-collar.
With e collar avoidance training the dog learns in one sesison to avoid gators.On its own, it doesn't need you nannying it ect it just looks out for itself.
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17-02-2011, 01:21 PM
Originally Posted by Crysania
Adam, how many dogs have you trained to stay away from alligators again? Please enlighten us. I think the number was something like
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One isn't it, that appears to have a very easy going if somewhat fearful nature, yeah I'll really bow to your experience lol.
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