Just watched the video,I also wondered if any nosework was involved,

A typical trail consist out of 2 types of exercises done in 30 minutes to 45 minutes
The order of the basic parts is always the same

You start with the "small" work

Walk on leash (always done first rest is up to the judges and without leash)
Walk of leash
retrieve
positions
identifying a scent
sent away

1.2 m hurdle jump 2 ways
1.5 m ditch with a hurdle at the far end 1.2 m 1 way
3m long jump
4m long jump ( 3 m with a "ramp" at the far end far side 40 cm high which makes it effectively a 5 to 6 meter jump)
2.2 m high palisade 2 ways

Once done the "big" work starts

2 attacks
1 stopped attack
guard of an object
guard of an object with muzle
defense of handler
search of a decoy
escort of a decoy with 3 flight attempts (second with gunshot)

Trough, over, under anything possible
no hesitation
no fear
full bite
total control
and afterwards going with the same dog trough a crowd without hesitation or fear that he's going to bite

in a short form everything a police dog has to be able to do

Greetings

Johan

Not everything a police dog has to do, the main duties of a police dog are to find people, whether its tracking or free searching, then comes the criminal work.
Lets not go down the road of mixing up the two it wouldnt be fair on the obvious dedication and control that the ring sport people have, or the obvious completey different type of dedication that a operational police dog has to face in the night on its own without the patio furniture or big suits.

Sport is fine in fact its great, and I will probably ruffle a few feathers it will never be the same as the real thing no matter how you try, the sport dog will never be a police dog, it cant be all the training in the world will make no difference
Sorry just find it a bit same old!!!!.

Search o fa decoy is a searching and tracking
It's a search and bark
True that a ring dog needs additional training to become an operational police dog. But all the things he has to perform are present.
Exemple

search for drugs

A policedog trained to search for drugs has learned to identify several specific scents and goes looking for them. A ring dog has learned to go and look for a specific scent but doesn't recognize eg coke as a scent. If you give him the scent he'll find the coke on the other hand

And large parts of the additional training is done to teach the dog specific protocols and to teach the handler how to work the dog.

Greetings

Johan

Well pardon me for not knowning that a decoy search in the wonderful world of ring sport is a track, it was nice of you to point it out in such a patronizing way.

And thank you also for explaining how drugs dogs work, I dont know how I could of carried on without that knowledge.


As you pointed out a ring sport dog with additional training could become a police dog, I take that as without the additional training it isnt?.

I dont know exactly what the police require in a dog in your country, but in the UK the Sport dog what ever sport it comes from can frequently bring with it more problems
than its worth.
I am sure you will disagree , because obviously Oldest means best, I mean there must be hundreds of countries that train police dogs for ring sport.

And on a personal note out of all the sports, Schutzhund, KNPV, Ring sport or whatever other one that is played out in the safe enviroment of a playing field,
God!!!! ring is dull.

5dog

If you get a trained dog, any trained dog that is, you need additional training with it.
a: to get accustomed to his behavior and he to yours
b: to train for things that weren't trained to the extend you want/ desire
If that causes more problems than training a dog from day one you have a training issue. The amount of work that goes in training a dog from day one is far more than retraining an already trained well balanced dog.

If we were allowed have and to train with drugs our dogs would recognize the smell and wouldn't need that part of additional training. On the other hand our dogs have learned to search for a smell and identify the object with that smell.

And if you find ring dull that is your opinion but it shows me that your knowledge of it is very limited and your ability to recognize the fine art of training a dog, in full drive, to that level is non existent.

Would it be fair to assume then that Belgian ring is good pre training for a service dog Heldengebroed?

I would have to say,,,,,I think your wrong on 5-dog there

Can I also add, a dog trained in ring sports, may not protect you in the real world, when your training, your always confident and so on, but in a real life situation, fear may play a HUGE part, if your dog picks up on your nerves or fear it may not do what its been trained to do.
Im sure even people who show dogs in other areas have found in the show ring/obed ring or whatever there nerves have cost them dearly when the dog picks up on it and goes to bits

To magic

It is on the one hand an excellent base for an operational dog and on the other hand it goes beyond what is demanded of an operational dog

To Shona

Someone who states that Belgian ring is dull is in fact not aware of what he is talking. You may like or dislike it; that's another matter. But stating that a competition is dull where the only limiting factor as how the trail is going to be is the imagination of the judges is showing a total ignorance of the subject.
And for a Ring dog not standing up to a confrontation...
Real life situations have shown over and over again that most of them do. I prefer going down a dangerous street with a ring dog at my side than with any "operational" police dog in the UK.


reason

I know what a Ring dog can do and when he's going to do it



So i stick to the dogs and the training i know best

just because people do not enjoy belgian ring training does not mean they have no talent when training dogs,

Great you enjoy BR training, I enjoy show jumping & cross country on rather large horses, but it by no way means you have to,

each to there own I guess

I have found in the UK many people who join shutz type training clubs are far to keen to train there dogs bite work, they are obsessed with it,




I dont do any competiton work {re tracking or bite work, } I stopped doing competitive Obed a few years ago, does that make me any less a talented to those who do compete?
Or was I more talented when I did compete?