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11-04-2013, 02:32 PM
One day I was out with my dog, he was muzzled and snuffling around in the grass, he then darted across the field toward a very submissive, soppy and arthritic labrador, he sniffed at her and then I saw him pounce, she squealed because of her arthritis, I got to him in a flash and dragged him off. The owner was ok and said thank goodness he had a muzzle on - but that incident made me decide that where there are dogs he is only ever walked on a lead and other dogs are shooed away. If he is off lead then it is in places where I'm virtually 99% sure there are no dogs. He can certainly do damage even when muzzled - he's very strong physically and mentally but I love him

Originally Posted by catrinsparkles View Post
Hehe.

I once had a go at a woman whose dog attacked my friends terrier. Now my friends terrier was no angel but this collie sized dog shot out of now where and proceeded to repeatedly pummel my friends dog with the muzzle and rip at her with it's paws. The woman came sauntering over saying its ok she's muzzled. I went ballistic and said that it would still bloody hurt and the dog could still do a lot of damage! Her response was that her vet had said it would be fine to let it off with a muzzle on! I dragged her dog off and my friends terrier had lots of scratches and bruises and was absolutely petrified!
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11-04-2013, 02:37 PM
It's no fun having an aggressive unpredictable dog is it? My husband is away for 3 days and I've got all the walking to do and even though he's muzzled and/or on a lead I still worry. I work really hard with him and he's probably 80% better than he was but I cannot foresee a time when I am not worried or cautious.

I have to say though I've experienced such joy in training him because firstly he's an incredibly fast learned and secondly he responds really well. It's lovely to watch him. I suspect the training and socialisation he had as a pup was absolutely minimal - whoever his owners were they dumped him on the street and then he ended up in very noisy and basic kennels for 6 months -not a good start is it.

Originally Posted by Wyrekin View Post
You are very sensible to muzzle you dog and it is the same as why I muzzle Scoob, the thought of him hurting someone turns my stomach. I have found BAT and LAT techniques work very well, they really helped my boy until he started losing his marbles.

I'm sorry I think I worded my post badly - I too do not see many muzzled dogs but when I do the muzzle is all too often seen as a cure when the dog is still actually showing all the behaviours it was previously but it can no longer bite. Unlike yourself some people just assume that by stopping the dog from biting everything's fine when the dog is still reacting badly and struggling to cope with the situations they are putting it in.
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11-04-2013, 06:20 PM
Originally Posted by Baxter8 View Post
One day I was out with my dog, he was muzzled and snuffling around in the grass, he then darted across the field toward a very submissive, soppy and arthritic labrador, he sniffed at her and then I saw him pounce, she squealed because of her arthritis, I got to him in a flash and dragged him off. The owner was ok and said thank goodness he had a muzzle on - but that incident made me decide that where there are dogs he is only ever walked on a lead and other dogs are shooed away. If he is off lead then it is in places where I'm virtually 99% sure there are no dogs. He can certainly do damage even when muzzled - he's very strong physically and mentally but I love him
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It's no fun having an aggressive unpredictable dog is it? My husband is away for 3 days and I've got all the walking to do and even though he's muzzled and/or on a lead I still worry. I work really hard with him and he's probably 80% better than he was but I cannot foresee a time when I am not worried or cautious.

I have to say though I've experienced such joy in training him because firstly he's an incredibly fast learned and secondly he responds really well. It's lovely to watch him. I suspect the training and socialisation he had as a pup was absolutely minimal - whoever his owners were they dumped him on the street and then he ended up in very noisy and basic kennels for 6 months -not a good start is it.
It's so sad that a good start could have avoided this and he could be an off lead dog tolerating or maybe even enjoying other dogs company.

I was anal over Tonks' socialisation and had a four page chart of what we had to to see and do in her first 16 weeks. I kept a tally of how many times she had experienced the different things and we went to differnet places everyday specially to experience things, as well as standing outside a local school at pick up time and practising paying attention and greeting people. And the only thing we didnt manage to see was a hot air ballon.

I knew she would have to be bomb proof because of people's perceptions of staffies, and because she is black...not to mention BSL as it was clear early on that she was going to be a big girl.

Remus hasn't had that start but people are more forgiving because he is skinny and lanky...but he's still black.
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11-04-2013, 06:44 PM
To be honest I would far prefer people to shout at me than bend down, pick up a stone and throw it at Pereg. Especially when she is in our front yard and tethered so she cannot get near the pavement.
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11-04-2013, 07:03 PM
It's the old unspoken doggie law though isn't it. If I see a dog on lead my two get popped on too. Remus goes on the lead even if they aren't because he's not yet learnt that you can't steam up to any dog and start hitting them round the face with your paws. Tonks never goes straight up to another dog and would stand sideways first until shes sussed them out or avoide them completely sniffing the ground while passing them wide. She used to want to bundle them so I have hopes for Remus too!
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