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29-05-2009, 02:43 PM
Of course he handles dogs, but he won't teach them the basics like sit, stay, lie down.

No, I do not formally train dogs, but I have trained several of my own dogs.
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29-05-2009, 03:17 PM
Originally Posted by Gnasher View Post
Of course he handles dogs, but he won't teach them the basics like sit, stay, lie down.

No, I do not formally train dogs, but I have trained several of my own dogs.
Its such a shame hes not more of an alrounder, why do you think he doesnt train basic stuff?
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29-05-2009, 04:09 PM
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again there are no real methods listed above, yes voice, BL, confidence is all important, but its pretty basic training stuff, if you see what I mean.
The sad thing is that the people whose dogs he goes to NEED the basics telling to them. I've lost count of the episodes I've seen where the dog is hyper and totally unhappy because they've never ever walked it!

But that's the American way I think - they never walk anywhere

*runs and hides from the US dog owners*
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29-05-2009, 04:15 PM
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The sad thing is that the people whose dogs he goes to NEED the basics telling to them. I've lost count of the episodes I've seen where the dog is hyper and totally unhappy because they've never ever walked it!

But that's the American way I think - they never walk anywhere

*runs and hides from the US dog owners*
your compleatly right in what your saying,

often some basic training, giving the dog more in its life is all thats needed to settle dogs down,
he seems to promote running your dog ragged, which yes these dogs need more exercise, but he totaly forgets the mental stimulation and that basic training such as come, sit, heel, are very important,
if a dog is not trained to go to heel {from all possitions} it doesnt know where heel is, so how the hell can it walk to heel, for all the dog knows heel could be at the lampost at the end of the street,
no matter where my dog is when off lead, in front of me, behind me, to the side of me, if I say heel, he knows where to go, egro......he can walk there when needed.

start with the basics, make them clear, the rest falls into place,
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29-05-2009, 04:18 PM
I agree with mental stimulation as well as physical exercise.

I think what he promotes is exercising the dog until it is physically tired, then working on the mental stuff. I suppose the idea is if the dog is hyper and full of physical energy it won't be able to concentrate on a mentally taxing challenge?

I don't know where he stands on obedience/agility etc. I can't say I've ever heard him mention it. I know my brother has started walking Tilly the way CM suggested, with her head just behind his leg (I know it wasn't CM's idea originally, but he read it on CM website) and she walks lovely like that.
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29-05-2009, 04:34 PM
Originally Posted by Sarah27 View Post
I agree with mental stimulation as well as physical exercise.

I think what he promotes is exercising the dog until it is physically tired, then working on the mental stuff. I suppose the idea is if the dog is hyper and full of physical energy it won't be able to concentrate on a mentally taxing challenge?

I don't know where he stands on obedience/agility etc. I can't say I've ever heard him mention it. I know my brother has started walking Tilly the way CM suggested, with her head just behind his leg (I know it wasn't CM's idea originally, but he read it on CM website) and she walks lovely like that.
but if the dogs mental stuff is "out doors mental stuff" you have still got to deal with it out on a walk untill the dog is knackered?

so if you dont deal with the behaviour and just depend on knackering the dog, the fitter the dog gets the longer you have to go untill the dog calms down.
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29-05-2009, 04:46 PM
Yes I agree. I think the dogs he's dealing with though are probably easier for him to train once he's knackered them out
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29-05-2009, 05:27 PM
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Its such a shame hes not more of an alrounder, why do you think he doesnt train basic stuff?
Because in his own words "he rehabilitates dogs and trains people". He may be bored by all the basic stuff, I have no idea, although I have noticed with his own dogs - eg Daddy - he never tells him to sit, or lie down, the dog is just well behaved. And when he is walking through his yard he may be adjusting the odd bit of behaviour, but he seems to me to be a very natural sort of guy, if it aint broke don't fix it ... in other words who cares if Daddy is sitting or standing, or is just sniffing around minding his own business, as long as he is well behaved and under control, why should he be glued to Cesar's heel?

It is an interesting question though.
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29-05-2009, 05:30 PM
Originally Posted by Sarah27 View Post
The sad thing is that the people whose dogs he goes to NEED the basics telling to them. I've lost count of the episodes I've seen where the dog is hyper and totally unhappy because they've never ever walked it!

But that's the American way I think - they never walk anywhere

*runs and hides from the US dog owners*
That's not such an unfair criticism Sarah. And it extends to their dogs - they tend to have very large "back yards" - over an acre or more - and the dogs are just stuck out and never, or hardly ever, actually walked. It is why in my opinion there are more problems with wolf crosses in the States than there are here. This type of dog in particular will not tolerate the isolation from its own kind, the lack of socialisation, the lack of exercise and the lack of contact with its human pack.
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29-05-2009, 05:31 PM
Originally Posted by Gnasher View Post
Because in his own words "he rehabilitates dogs and trains people". He may be bored by all the basic stuff, I have no idea, although I have noticed with his own dogs - eg Daddy - he never tells him to sit, or lie down, the dog is just well behaved. And when he is walking through his yard he may be adjusting the odd bit of behaviour, but he seems to me to be a very natural sort of guy, if it aint broke don't fix it ... in other words who cares if Daddy is sitting or standing, or is just sniffing around minding his own business, as long as he is well behaved and under control, why should he be glued to Cesar's heel?

It is an interesting question though.

no one is saying they should be! my dogs are not glued to mine, I dont need them to be I have control at any distance.
but we are not talking about his dogs or my dogs we are talking about how he works with problem dogs.

but many of the cases he deals with include, dragging owners down the street/lunging at other dogs
hence learning to walk on lead without pulling is really quite relevant dont you think?
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