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23-03-2010, 11:12 AM
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So are you saying that taking the 'long' view this bill will benefit the country economically because there is a huge amount of fraud going on with medical insurace claims.

If this is true I'm surprised it has taken so long to be passed and even more surprised that past presidents haven't been able to do what Obama has done.

Like most of us on this side of the pond I don't know the detail, it seems the insurance companies are against it but as a general principal it seems a good thing.

It didn't look good for Obama a few months ago, wonder what changed the senators minds????
Harvey, the insurance companies had it made. They could drop people if they got sick and they could refuse to insure someone new if they had a pre-existing condition. They had it made and were insuring healthy people and making big $$. Now that is a thing of the past but it will take some years to get it all implemented. Many things will start in a few months.

As far as the fraud goes people were billing medicare and only had an empty office with an address and Obama has closed tons of these thieves down and I'm sure many are in jail already.

And why didn't other Presidents make this happen? Good question. Hilary Clinton was the last person who tried hard but not hard enough. As far as a President goes, Bush was not worried about the average 'Joe' and I'm sure could have cared less (remember Katrina) And taxing the rich never for my least favorite President ever. Don't get me wrong I don't feel the rich have to pick up the tab for everyone but the many loop holes they have in the law, can make them give a bit too. Just my opinion though.
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23-03-2010, 11:19 AM
As an American ex-pat now living in the U.K., I too was thrilled to hear that this important piece of legislation had been passed.

Too bad old Ted Kennedy didn't live long enough to see his dream come true.
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23-03-2010, 11:27 AM
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As an American ex-pat now living in the U.K., I too was thrilled to hear that this important piece of legislation had been passed.

Too bad old Ted Kennedy didn't live long enough to see his dream come true.
Hi Sweetie, oh yes how could I forget how hard he worked on this and for so long. He would be so proud. Did you know the Obama girls dog was a pup from one of his dogs.
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23-03-2010, 11:27 AM
Too bad old Ted Kennedy didn't live long enough to see his dream come true.
I thought the same thing myself. I had actually worried that his death and the loss of his support would be the deal breaker on this bill, but sensibility prevailed and we put it through!
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23-03-2010, 11:40 AM
Miranda, don't miss post 13. Muttzrule and I posted at exactly the same time
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23-03-2010, 05:57 PM
Following is a transcript of the remarks by President Obama and Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. on Tuesday before Mr. Obama signed a landmark health care bill into law, as released by Federal News Service:


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Vice President Biden: Thank you. Mr. President, I think we got a happy room here. (Laughter.) It seems ridiculous to say thank you all for being here. (Laughs, laughter.)
Ladies and gentlemen, to state the obvious, this is a historic day. (Cheers, applause.) In our business, you use that phrase a lot, but I can't think of a day in the 37 years that I have been a United States senator and the short time I've been vice president that it is more appropriately stated this is a historic day.
And history -- history is not merely what is printed in text books. It doesn't begin or end with the stroke of a pen. History is made. History is made when men and women decide that there is a greater risk in accepting the situation that we cannot bear than in steeling our spine and embracing the promise of change. That's when history's made. (Applause.)
History -- history is made when you all assembled here today, members of Congress, take charge to change the lives of tens of millions of Americans. Through the efforts of those of us lucky enough to serve here in this town, that's exactly what you've done. You have made history.
History is made when a leader steps up, stays true to his values and charts a fundamentally different course for the country. History is made when a leader's passion -- passion -- is matched with principle, to set a new course.
Well, ladies and gentlemen, Mr. President, you are that leader. You have -- (cheers, applause). You deserve it, man. You deserve it. (Applause.)
Mr. President -- (applause) -- Mr. President, your fierce advocacy, the clarity of purpose that you showed, your perseverance, these are in fact -- it is not hyperbole to say these are the reasons why we're assembled in this room together today.
But for those attributes, we would not be here. Many, many men and women are going to feel the pride that I feel in watching you shortly, watching you sign this bill, knowing that their work -- their work has helped make this day possible.
But Mr. President, you're the guy that made it happen. And so Mr. President -- (applause) -- all of us, press and elected officials assembled in this town over the years and we've seen some incredible things happen.
But you know, Mr. President, you've done what generations of not just ordinary but great men and women have attempted to do, Republicans as well as Democrats. They've tried before. Everybody knows the story. Starting with Teddy Roosevelt, they've tried. They were real bold leaders.
But Mr. President, they fell short. You have turned, Mr. President, the right of every American to have access in -- to decent health care into reality -- (cheers, extended applause) -- for the first time in American history.
Mr. President, I've gotten to know you well enough. You want me to stop because I'm embarrassing you. (Laughter.) But I'm not going to stop for another minute, Mr. President, because you delivered on a promise, a promise you made to all Americans when we moved into this building.
Mr. President, you are, to repeat myself, literally about to make history. Our children and our grandchildren, they're going to grow up knowing that a man named Barack Obama put the final girder in the framework for a social network in this country to provide the single most important element of what people need, and that is access to good health -- (applause) -- and that every American from this day forward will be treated with simple fairness and basic justice.
Look, the classic poet Virgil once said that the greatest wealth is health. The greatest wealth is health. Well, today America becomes a whole lot wealthier, because tens of millions of Americans will be a whole lot healthier from this moment on.
Ladies and gentlemen, the president of the United States of America, Barack Obama. (Cheers, applause.)
President Obama: Thank you, everybody. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, everybody. Thank you. Thank you, everybody. Thank you so much. (Applause continues.) Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Everybody, please have a seat. Thank you. (Cheers, whistles.) Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, everybody. Thank you. Thank you, everybody. Please, have a seat.
Thank you, Joe. (Laughter.)
Mr. Biden: Good to be with you, Mr. President. (Chuckles.)
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