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30-01-2012, 01:37 PM
Originally Posted by Ripsnorterthe2nd 
If MT were less inclined to give so many PF an easy way out it stands to reason that they would start to become less prolific as life for them would become more difficult.
There are two options:
- Rescue all puppies and ex breeders from PFs and allow the suffering to continue inexorably.
- Stop rescuing all puppies and ex breeders from PFs and prevent the suffering of many dogs forever more.
Of course the latter may result in the suffering of the first few ex breeders and puppies, but if it meant it would prevent the suffering of many, many others then so be it. Everything in life comes with a price sadly.
Originally Posted by spot
I suppose you have the same critism of greyhound rescues and staffy rescues then? If they didnt take dogs in it would reduce the problem?
Or all rescues in fact - if they didnt take these dogs in there wouldnt be a rescue problem at all! True in a sense I suppose.
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30-01-2012, 01:50 PM
Originally Posted by spot
I would ask the same question as I asked Tazer then.
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30-01-2012, 03:24 PM
Originally Posted by smokeybear
I have not read the whole thread so someone may have already mentioned this.
Many Tears do not hand over animals to Breed Rescues which means they could save more dogs and save money.
It is one of the reasons that people like myself would not support them.
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30-01-2012, 05:50 PM
Originally Posted by Ripsnorterthe2nd
Yes it's very easy to imagine things! Do you have any stats to show PFs haven't increased because of people like MT?
Who's to say that they wouldn't have decreased if MT didn't take all of their unwanted animals in the first place?
The truth is you'll never know for certain, but what I do know is continually taking unwanted animals from PFs ensures the suffering of a lot more animals for a long time to come. Especially if MT are paying money to take the dogs off their hands, which sounds feasible when PFs are meant to be so cold hearted and as such should be killing all their unwanted stock anyway!
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30-01-2012, 05:53 PM
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30-01-2012, 06:27 PM
Originally Posted by Dobermann
To think that PFs will stop if rescues stop taking their dogs is a bit nieve to say the least imo. As long as they make money, they will keep going. Think it would be safe to say that it's going to be more than one rescue, keeping them open for business. end of.
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30-01-2012, 07:21 PM
*some* puppy farms may close
or they may just become smaller
its unrealistic to say that if many tears stops going every week they puppy farms would actually go out of business.
its also unrealistic to say that many tears going to them week in week out wouldnt be an encouragement to them.
i perfectly understand why many tears would not wish to alienate the puppy farms thru any activities that may bar many tears from rescuing and rehoming.
However, one would also assume that such a strategy would be undertaken as part of a bigger long term strategy of trying to reform puppy farms?
So at what stage does the bigger objective start taking precedence?
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30-01-2012, 07:25 PM
Originally Posted by Brundog
i didn't suggest it did, vbut when you hear the same stories over and over again it begins to bring you down, and quite frankly one horrific case of abuse can stay with you for a very long time.
I would say every other home check or assessment brings you into contact with someone you would rather not. Bearing in mind i deal solely with staffies....the most abused and neglected dog owned by many a not so pleasant owner.
( or certainly the ones that are giving them up!)
Further we are on the committee opt the rescue and work for it but we don't get paid?? we do this out of our own time and time spent way from kids/family/life etc. I am not expecting violins its my choice but its damn sight easier to have a say when you haven't experienced the hard stuff than if you have... I think its easy to be critical from the outside.
Their is also an assumption that everyone working in rescue is suffering some sort of perpetual emotional trauma and they dont get any time off etc, which is kind of a reverse glamourisation, as its not *quite* that bad
Although dealing with staffies all the time you would get the worst of it
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