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View Poll Results: Which CM methods do you use on your dog?
Do you make sure your dog has enough exercise? 26 68.42%
Do you use "calm Energy" when handling your dogs? 7 18.42%
Have you ever used Foot tapping for attention? 1 2.63%
Have you ever used Foot tapping for correction? 0 0%
Have you ever used "tsstg" for attention 1 2.63%
Have you ever used "tsstg" for correction 1 2.63%
Have you ever used the "hand bite" for attention 0 0%
Have you ever used the "hand bite" for correction 0 0%
Do you use prong collars 0 0%
Do you use the illusion collar, or other NONslip slipcollar 0 0%
Have you ever used flooding to overcome your dogs fear 0 0%
Have you ever pinned your dog to the floor 1 2.63%
Have you ever pinned your dog to the fllor for any reason other than aggression 1 2.63%
Do you alpha roll your dog? 0 0%
Voters: 38. You may not vote on this poll - please see pinned thread in this section for details.



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lozzibear
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04-10-2009, 03:26 PM
Originally Posted by Gnasher View Post
Quite, Lozzi ! The dictionary definition of "only" is solely and exclusively ...
lol, yep so i dont know how else we were meant to take it... i dont get it
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04-10-2009, 03:29 PM
re. quality excercise - my dogs are sprawled snoring because they`ve been out to the country park
They`ve done heel-work down to the station, close control standing in the queue at the ticket office, down stay on the train, recall and retrieve at the beach bit of the park, rabbit-bothering round the warren (Shamus) a couple of tracks, one upwind, one downwind (Daisy), a bit of pootling about investigating / exploring, some socialisation with other dogs then a repeat performance home.
Try getting through that lot on roller skates!
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04-10-2009, 04:22 PM
Originally Posted by lozzibear View Post
lol, yep so i dont know how else we were meant to take it... i dont get it
Me neither
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04-10-2009, 04:23 PM
Originally Posted by ClaireandDaisy View Post
re. quality excercise - my dogs are sprawled snoring because they`ve been out to the country park
They`ve done heel-work down to the station, close control standing in the queue at the ticket office, down stay on the train, recall and retrieve at the beach bit of the park, rabbit-bothering round the warren (Shamus) a couple of tracks, one upwind, one downwind (Daisy), a bit of pootling about investigating / exploring, some socialisation with other dogs then a repeat performance home.
Try getting through that lot on roller skates!
LOL !!
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04-10-2009, 04:29 PM
Originally Posted by lozzibear View Post
i dont think anyone was is trying to say CM 'invented' exercise, but he has shown the importance of it. many people out there think a simple short walk on a lead is adequate for a dog, which it isnt. he is showing that good exercise can improve your dogs behaviour and help resolve issues (depending on what they are)



how else were we meant to interpret...



i dont know how else that is meant to be interpreted...
no you said that I said that this was all CM advocated. I didn't.
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04-10-2009, 04:39 PM
Originally Posted by ClaireandDaisy View Post
re. quality excercise - my dogs are sprawled snoring because they`ve been out to the country park
They`ve done heel-work down to the station, close control standing in the queue at the ticket office, down stay on the train, recall and retrieve at the beach bit of the park, rabbit-bothering round the warren (Shamus) a couple of tracks, one upwind, one downwind (Daisy), a bit of pootling about investigating / exploring, some socialisation with other dogs then a repeat performance home.
Try getting through that lot on roller skates!
That lot sounds very much like the type of structured walk that CM recommends! For some low energy breeds that could well be enough.

It sounds from a previous comment you made (about dogs not running for miles of their own accord) that you have a low energy breed of dog (or a higher energy dog that's a bit unfit). I think owning a dog that has been selectively bred for it's ability to run all day might open your eyes a little.....and have you wracking your brains for ways to get it enough exercise without loosing all control of it!!!! You might even be tempted (as we were) to buy a bike!

We used to go to the park and let our Beagle off-lead to run. She'd go flat out for two, three or more hours if you let her. The only trouble is, she was 'self-rewarding' and we didn't have good control of her. As Gnasher mentioned elsewhere, Beagles are a huge problem in this respect. They NEED to run for miles every day to stay in good condition, but if you let them do it themselves (e.g. in the park or on country walks) they'll typically be off out of sight for hours doing god only knows what.

The structured walk and CM's (amongst other peoples) advice to not leave the dog to it's own devices for too long during a walk helps a lot. Lots of structure where the dog must focus on us then little short 'reward' breaks where they get to run. This keeps them close and stops them from learning to ignore us. But they also need to just run. For miles. That's why we've got the bikes. So that we can do it with them.

As you know, Beagles are originally hunting dogs. They work in packs and a couple of time a week will go out hunting with the pack running huge distances across country for perhaps hours on end. To maintain fitness between hunts and outside of the hunting season the pack master would traditionally jump on a bike and have the whole pack of hounds running beside him.

The sport of cani-cross was developed by people that needed a way to exercise sled dogs out of season. They two were difficult in that they can't be trusted off-lead so owners and trainers needed to find a way of getting them the distance running that they crave whilst on-lead. They pull people, bikes...and probably a whole host of other things!
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04-10-2009, 04:56 PM
Originally Posted by scarter View Post
That lot sounds very much like the type of structured walk that CM recommends! For some low energy breeds that could well be enough.

It sounds from a previous comment you made (about dogs not running for miles of their own accord) that you have a low energy breed of dog (or a higher energy dog that's a bit unfit). I think owning a dog that has been selectively bred for it's ability to run all day might open your eyes a little.....and have you wracking your brains for ways to get it enough exercise without loosing all control of it!!!! You might even be tempted (as we were) to buy a bike!

We used to go to the park and let our Beagle off-lead to run. She'd go flat out for two, three or more hours if you let her. The only trouble is, she was 'self-rewarding' and we didn't have good control of her. As Gnasher mentioned elsewhere, Beagles are a huge problem in this respect. They NEED to run for miles every day to stay in good condition, but if you let them do it themselves (e.g. in the park or on country walks) they'll typically be off out of sight for hours doing god only knows what.

The structured walk and CM's (amongst other peoples) advice to not leave the dog to it's own devices for too long during a walk helps a lot. Lots of structure where the dog must focus on us then little short 'reward' breaks where they get to run. This keeps them close and stops them from learning to ignore us. But they also need to just run. For miles. That's why we've got the bikes. So that we can do it with them.

As you know, Beagles are originally hunting dogs. They work in packs and a couple of time a week will go out hunting with the pack running huge distances across country for perhaps hours on end. To maintain fitness between hunts and outside of the hunting season the pack master would traditionally jump on a bike and have the whole pack of hounds running beside him.

The sport of cani-cross was developed by people that needed a way to exercise sled dogs out of season. They two were difficult in that they can't be trusted off-lead so owners and trainers needed to find a way of getting them the distance running that they crave whilst on-lead. They pull people, bikes...and probably a whole host of other things!
Another excellent one Scarter.

Tai pulls the birds !! Female dogs make a bee line for him !!

Joking apart, I would think it would be virtually impossible to over-exercise a dog like a Beagle. The main thing we have to watch with Tai is the heat. Because he has a double wolf-type coat, he can get very overheated. In the summer, we have to be very aware of this out on bike rides. We stop every mile for him to have a drink and a cool off in the shade, and in addition he gets a dunking in the canal because he always accidentally on purposes falls in !

In the winter, we have no trouble with overheating of course. During that fabulous snow we had for over a week earlier this year, we were out all day playing in it, tobogganing, building snowmen, etc. etc. He was up and down up and down the hills all day long and he loved it. He was, of course, in his element!
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04-10-2009, 04:59 PM
Originally Posted by Mahooli View Post
no you said that I said that this was all CM advocated. I didn't.
Becky
With the greatest respect, you said :

"Attaching a dog to a bike or alongside you on roller blades as the only form of exercise will not resolve any issues".

Your insinuation here is in that little word "only", Becky.

Your words, not mine.
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04-10-2009, 06:26 PM
Originally Posted by Gnasher View Post
With the greatest respect, you said :

"Attaching a dog to a bike or alongside you on roller blades as the only form of exercise will not resolve any issues".

Your insinuation here is in that little word "only", Becky.

Your words, not mine.
But this is somethign CM does on a regular basis, with some of his clients dogs.
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04-10-2009, 07:06 PM
Originally Posted by scarter View Post
That lot sounds very much like the type of structured walk that CM recommends! For some low energy breeds that could well be enough.

GSPs and GSDs are not low energy dogs. I suggest you learn a little about the breeds before making that sort of statement.
The Mexican Wonder did not invent heelwork, close control, tracking, retrieve or socialising. I can recommend a few books for you to read if you wish to find out about them



It sounds from a previous comment you made (about dogs not running for miles of their own accord) that you have a low energy breed of dog (or a higher energy dog that's a bit unfit). I think owning a dog that has been selectively bred for it's ability to run all day might open your eyes a little.....and have you wracking your brains for ways to get it enough exercise without loosing all control of it!!!! You might even be tempted (as we were) to buy a bike!

I have never made this comment. Perhaps you are mistaking me for someone else- or perhaps you imagine that I don`t also have a Hound - one who has actually been used for hunting. I have also owned a lurcher.
I have never been tempted to join the Lycra Brigade.


We used to go to the park and let our Beagle off-lead to run. She'd go flat out for two, three or more hours if you let her. The only trouble is, she was 'self-rewarding' and we didn't have good control of her. As Gnasher mentioned elsewhere, Beagles are a huge problem in this respect. They NEED to run for miles every day to stay in good condition, but if you let them do it themselves (e.g. in the park or on country walks) they'll typically be off out of sight for hours doing god only knows what.

My Hound is not allowed to run riot. He was trained to recall in normal circumstances. However, I would not have let him off around game because their instincts are so strong. I didn`t know Gnasher had a Hound.


The structured walk and CM's (amongst other peoples) advice to not leave the dog to it's own devices for too long during a walk helps a lot. Lots of structure where the dog must focus on us then little short 'reward' breaks where they get to run. This keeps them close and stops them from learning to ignore us. But they also need to just run. For miles. That's why we've got the bikes. So that we can do it with them.

No, you are not re-inforcing your training on a bike. You are merely trying to keep up with the dog.
If you want to cycle, fine. But don`t imagine your dog is learning anything from it.
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