Whoa there cowgirl, no harm intended and no I did not mean that anyone who is pro CM is cruel to animals. I don't believe that. I was just trying to say (forgive me Becky) that ''some'' folk on here come across quite aggressive when actually it's just an interpretation of their passion.

Nothing more to it than that.

Yee hi Pidge !

Perhaps I misinterpreted your meaning, but the way you phrased it suggested to me that you were insinuating that Becky is so very passionate about animal welfare and is therefore anti-CM, whereas us pro-CM'ers are not, because we agree with his wicked ways!

All in the interpretation of course, and me, I misinterpreted, apologies for that !

I would like to think though that despite my passion for wolf crosses, the BARF diet, Cesar Millan, to name a few of my "bugs", I would never bully anyone. I really can understand where Gemma is coming from, and as I have said before, I think some of you guys need to apologise.

If I have ever bullied or threatened anyone in any way on Dogsey, then I too apologise. I like to think that I am a fair person, I respect others' viewpoints - even when I know they are wrong !! !!

Have to say it, Gnasher, you are the MOST patient person I have EVER come across on any Forum. I've long given up with this bunch............................. Good for you that you stand up for what is right We should all be able to express our views without being constantly criticised, jumped on and accused of being dog abusers but, sadly, that is not going to happen here. You, I and Tink see CM for what he is. So many other members see him and see horns growing out of his head Others just follow like sheep and "bleet" what they hear their fellow members saying

Very sad that a member is leaving over the aggressive, intolerant behaviour shown by another member. I hope Mahooli is proud of herself. Tink actually held the olive branch to Mahooli, to basically have it shoved in her face! Nice

I don't post much on Dogsey these days! Got fed up with too many people trying to shove their opinions down others throats but I felt I wanted to post after seeing the way tinkladyv has been treated by some!

All the best Gnasher

Yes, that is an appeasement gesture - your collie is happily offering that to other dogs. He's offering it, he's not being made to take it.

The two are very different!

Dogs will often "offer" it

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Yes, she's an interesting lady and perhaps more "natural" which I think is what you tend to prefer?

She does have a website, (Ramble, is the website good do you think compared to the book? it's a while since I've read the book!)

http://www.canis.no/rugaas/

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But you are not a dog, and as such why practice canine behaviour on to a dog, when you are human.

Along with the fact you say what he did was Alpha role other dogs, well on thta we wil have to disagree.


But what you fail to have grasped is the true meaning of an Alpha role... it is not somethign that is done with teaching a discipline, it is done with intent to harm... (in the true sense of the word) by one dog/wolf to another..


You know , you can always put your ignore button on, if you dont like the tone of other people's posts.

You have to remember, everyone is allowed an opinion, and when you voice such a controversial one (as you with the Alpha Role) you must expect responses... even if they are passionate.

Mmmmmmmm, I did wonder why you suddenly went very quiet. I thought it was more to do with your insistence that you can stop your dog mounting an in season female with one word, when it became clear , and people picked up on it, you needed to repeat that word over and over again


Sorry, but cant see anywhere where Pidge has been nasty..she expression an opinion, nasty it was not!!

We've sorted the Pidge thing - my misinterpretation !

Jackbox, in your own words above, you state that everyone is entitled to their opinion.

Precisely !! But this poor Gemma has not been ... pure and simple. You should practice what you preach. It shouldn't matter whether one's view is controversial or not, it is a view that one is still entitled to, and entitled to express it without fear of being bullied and being accused of all sorts.

I appreciate Becky's concerns over animal welfare, I appreciate her opinion that CM is cruel. What I do not appreciate is her bullying and aggressive ways to a fellow forum user who just happens to disagree with her. It is intolerable. Can you not see that this is just plain wrong?

Gemma is entitled to her opinion, as I am. Argue as much as you like, using your opposing viewpoints, but there is no need to get downright nasty and personal - IMO of course.

Nobody has told Gemma, she is not entitled to here opinion,

Where did I say she cant post a controversial opinion,, she can, you can, we all can.

What I said was dont expect it not to be challenged..

You yourself will make many a controversial statement, and are challenged on it every time...

If one is not up to listening to opposing views , dont voice them.

That is NOT saying you cant post or voice them, but dont take the huff when they are challenged.

"Mmmmmmmm, I did wonder why you suddenly went very quiet. I thought it was more to do with your insistence that you can stop your dog mounting an in season female with one word, when it became clear , and people picked up on it, you needed to repeat that word over and over again "

Can't be bothered to wade back to whatever point I need to go back to ... just to say we took Tai out on a bike ride along the canal towpath yesterday. We met several dogs, one who just happened to be heavily in season.

I picked up on what was about to happen, yelled at hubby to pedal faster, and whizzed past Tai, calling out "Tai Tai come".

Guess what happened Jackbox !! Bet you can't

And it took THREE words !! My my how truly dreadful. To stop an entire male mounting a bitch who was heavily in season (we found out later).

I really am such an irresponsible owner, having such a poor lack of control over my dog that it took THREE words to stop an accidental mating.

Are you purposely being so obtuse ?

Challenge - by all means. That is what healthy debate is all about for goodness sake. How boring would Dogsey be if we all sat around saying how wonderful CM was.

CHALLENGE !! But don't be so nasty, so bullying, so dictatorial.

I cannot believe that you are unable to see the difference.